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Stein pulling out wouldn’t result in more votes for Harris. It would just make more people stay home. I think they’re more worried about greens hitting the 5% national threshold.

Stop assuming these votes are stolen from Harris. She hasn’t earned them.

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Why would European Greens be worried about the Greens getting more than 5%

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I suspect they’re acting as controlled opposition to absorb activist energies. They’re openly shepherding activist voters to a capitalist party in this action.

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Wasn’t aware there was an anti-capitalist candidate running, but that’s beside the point. Why do you accuse other countries’ parties of controlled opposition? This doesn’t make any sense. Are you saying they’re propping up Kamala. Many European greens are more left than Stein

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Say you need a life saving operation. Your choices are: a skilled surgeon who is suspected to have cheated on their spouse, George Clooney from the hit TV show ER, or a mediocre at best veterinarian. This is essentially the state of things. A qualified person, a fictional character, and a person who is tangentially qualified at best.

The country needs a life saving operation. Harris is extremely qualified candidate who at worst carries some of the murky ethical baggage of any career politician. Trump is not only unqualified, but uniquely contraindicated (vindictive, foreign debts, exceedingly old, litany of bonafide legal issues, unrepentant rapist). And Stein is at best a politician shaped object, who is perhaps qualified enough to be a pundit or a podcast host.

For the safety of people of color, for women, for the environment, for the rule of law, for diplomacy, for the economy, there is only one pragmatic choice, and that choice is Harris.

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Nothing in Harris’ record shows she’s qualified. She’s done a measurably shit job in every position she’s been in.

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Really, nothing at all qualifies her? Not her 6 years as an attorney general? Or her 4 years as a senator? Her 3 years as vice president? She’s better educated, has a better resume, doesn’t have 30 something felonies, and isn’t 78 years old. We already tried Trump as president once and America survived by the skin of our teeth. And he has not improved as a candidate in any way in the intervening 4 years.

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She hasn’t earned them.

The binary choice and the risks of failure have been mentioned so many times, that I worry for people who don’t get it.

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Both candidates support genocide. A binary choice would be an improvement from what we have now.

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At best, one candidate doesn’t do enough to oppose genocide, while the other candidate offers their full throated support, advising that Isreal “just finish the job”. We’re not looking for a perfect candidate, we’re looking for the best candidate. And there is absolutely a candidate with a better track record of compassion, and a likelier chance of fighting the fire rather than fueling it in exchange for political favors.

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You’re right. If they weren’t going to vote for Harris, to me it sounds like they’re perfectly fine with another Trump presidency and the decades of consequences that would follow.

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I voted for Jill Stein in 2016 because I assumed Hillary was going to win anyway, and I was in a solidly red state so fuck it, might as well vote 3rd party.

Then Trump won.
Then I learned about Stein’s backwards views on nuclear energy, GMOs and vaccines.
Then she turned out to be a Russian asset.
Then she decided to run again and again, knowing that she’s only acting as a spoiler for the Dems.

Boy did I make a mistake in 2016. I wish there was a perfect candidate for everyone to vote for, but unfortunately keeping Trump out of the white house is the best we can do. Harris isn’t my first choice, but I voted for her on behalf of all of the people who will suffer under another Trump presidency.

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Yep me exactly too. Though I vote in a solidly blue state, it won’t change much but the dems have gotten better and all 3rd parties have gotten worse in recent years, so I have no problem voting dem this time just to take zero risks.

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Damn, even people in other countries seem to understand what’s going on. I guess they don’t see both sides as the same for some reason. 🤔

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I’m sure people in other nations are holding their breath right now. This election has huge consequences world wide.

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That’s so sad. They think she’s genuine.

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