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Former CIA Director Leon Panetta warned that Trump’s return to the White House could embolden Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, giving him a “blank check” in the Middle East and increasing the risk of war with Iran.

Panetta expressed concern that Trump would support Netanyahu’s aggressive stance against Iran without restraint, potentially worsening regional instability.

Panetta also predicted Trump might allow Russia to retain parts of Ukraine if he returns to office, though he doubted Trump’s negotiation skills.

He criticized Trump’s approach to foreign policy, suggesting Trump would be inclined to “capitulate” to authoritarian leaders, which may not sit well with some Republicans.

15 points

Whew! Good thing the moral purity brigade shunned Kamala Harris.

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Congratulations, idealists. You definitely stopped the genocide by refusing to vote for Harris and urging others to do likewise. A+ job.

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Oh he’ll help end the genocide alright. You can’t genocide a people that’s already wiped off the planet.

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ukraine is gonna get ‘helped’ similarly. putin will have a free pass once the u.s. aid stops. i don’t think the other nato countries or the e.u. can cover that, especially long-term.

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I hope as soon as US aid stops, they launch everything they have at major Russian cities.

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I think the EU will change. If Ukraine falls, territory grabs from Poland, Finland and Hungary are next. Those are actually EU constituents.

Hungary will not leave the EU btw. Orbán’s days are numbered, what with the Tisza overflowing.

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Y’all are thinking pretty small, Putin won’t just have a free pass about us aid, Putin has a pass to our entire structure. Their military might be shit but their Intel apparatus is not at all.

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I truly cannot grasp how uninformed one has to be to claim to be for Palestinians but think helping Trump’s odds was strategically better. Such profound ignorance is on par with maga, themselves.

On another note I want absolutely nothing to do with Mehdi Hasan. I supported him for quite some time but he got tunnel vision to such a degree he ended up thinking completely irrationally and contributing to the problem. He’s venturing into Jill Stein territory for me.

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“They” were persons holding “real” opinions, I’m afraid. Just as the russians calling for “russophobia” 2 months prior to the special genocidal operation

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I’m expecting mega stupid bullshit like Trump lifting sanctions in exchange for Russia standing down so Trump can send American planes over and show the world we have the biggest and best bombs, while his megadonors line up for Russian contracts and celebrate

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Stoppig the genocide… Who started it?

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Israel. What’s your point?

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Cool so Trump won’t be responsible for stopping the genocide either. Everything falls on Israel.

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Then he will be held to the same account Harris was.

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What are you even talking about? Harris is the Vice President. Exactly what do you think her job responsibilities and powers are?

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She said she would not have changed a single decision that was made during the Biden administration. Biden said that she was in 100% agreement with every decision made. Which means she agreed to the current conditions

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Tell us you don’t know what a VP does without telling us you don’t know what a VP does.

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Okay my man look at the margins. The anti-genocide people could’ve all voted and it wouldn’t have flipped a single state outside of Michigan. And the thing is: Harris lost before Michigan even finished counting. So yeah, you’re barking up the wrong tree here.

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The anti-genocide people could’ve all voted and it wouldn’t have flipped a single state outside of Michigan.

See, if you’d said the anti-genocide people who protest voted could’ve all voted for Harris, you might’ve had a point.

But turnout in this election for the Democratic candidate was significantly decreased, and an uncertain number of those were anti-genocide.

Abstaining gave Trump the presidency. Abstaining for what reason varies, but Gaza was clearly an issue for some to stay home.

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This is one of the excuses they are giving rather than accept any culpability whatsoever. “Even if we voted for Harris, Trump would still have won.”

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This not to mention down-ballot congressional races.

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Abstaining gave Trump the presidency. Abstaining for what reason varies, but Gaza was clearly an issue for some to stay home.

Yes, and I’m saying that Gaza wasn’t an issue for enough people to matter. Harris needed Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan to win, and while I can see pro-Palestinian votes swinging Michigan I simply doubt there were enough of them in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to matter. If you think otherwise, then you have more faith in the American people than me I guess.

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The fact that the person representing the choice to act is also giving a WTF, dude face is hilarious.

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The outcome of the election doesn’t change the fact that 18% of voters wasted their vote on a Russian plant.

In the end it didn’t matter but it does matter that they knew the election was close and their protest vote could’ve very well been the deciding factor. They decided to make the statement despite the risk of having someone much worse winning. Now, go plead your cause to Trump.

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Please give me the numbers of these in every swing state along with how they were determined.

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There is no way for you, or anyone, to know how many people abstained from voting over any one issue, 🤡

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Trump voters: “Trump is the most peaceful president ever. We need to bring the defence spending to Ukraine home. America first”.

Trump is elected and inevitably drags the US into yet another war in in the Middle East

Trump voters: Pikachu face

Nah. Just kidding about that last part. It was all just empty rhetoric to justify the grift and looting all the way down as the country burns to the ground in the background.

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Trump is very isolationist. I’d be quite surprised if he committed to any conflict directly. Funding Israel to fight for him however…

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I find it odd when someone says Trump is this or Trump is that as if he’s consistent on anything. His absurd narcissism is the only consistent thing about him. You can bet your ass he would drag us into a war if it would stroke his ego in some way.

That is what makes him so uniquely dangerous. He has no ideology to speak of. His focus shifts back and forth so often that trying to predict exactly what he’s going to do is impossible. You can say with certainty that he won’t be motivated by any sort of desire for the public good but that’s about as specific as you can get until he starts doing something.

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Seriously, it’s amazing that more people don’t understand that Trump does only what Trump thinks will benefit Trump, even if it’s just benefiting the ego.

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Don’t forget that if we pull funding from Ukraine, the proxy war with Russia will potentially morph into the most peaceful war between Russia and our allies.

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I heard the “but there won’t be any of these wars once Trump is back” argument several times.

I would usually revel in watching the walls come down around someone’s stupid opinions, but in this case, we as a country have to suffer for it.

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Really shows how stupid and gullible the American electorate is. War is a classic “Wag the Dog” tactic.

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“But Trump will stop me having to hear about all these wars.”

Fixed for you. I heard the same from my mom - that it was a REAL SHAME Biden wasn’t trying to force Russia and Ukraine to peace.

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Take your bow single-issue voters and protest voters. We tried to warn you.

You did this.

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Yeah but GeNoCIdE JoE, etc.

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Nah the DNC did this by abandoning their principles and base in a failed attempt to appease conservatives and some foreign government.

Arguing that people should just support, fund, and arm human slaughter, and likening it to something basic like marijuana legalization or taxes, all so you can win a contest is fucking insane coming from the supposed left, but it really just shows how far to the right the party has gone.

You did this.

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So… let’s get this straight. Trump won because he got more votes. I voted against him, you didn’t.

Yet it’s my fault.

That’s some gargantuan big-brain logic there bud.

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