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Former CIA Director Leon Panetta warned that Trump’s return to the White House could embolden Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, giving him a “blank check” in the Middle East and increasing the risk of war with Iran.

Panetta expressed concern that Trump would support Netanyahu’s aggressive stance against Iran without restraint, potentially worsening regional instability.

Panetta also predicted Trump might allow Russia to retain parts of Ukraine if he returns to office, though he doubted Trump’s negotiation skills.

He criticized Trump’s approach to foreign policy, suggesting Trump would be inclined to “capitulate” to authoritarian leaders, which may not sit well with some Republicans.

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Congratulations, idealists. You definitely stopped the genocide by refusing to vote for Harris and urging others to do likewise. A+ job.

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Oh he’ll help end the genocide alright. You can’t genocide a people that’s already wiped off the planet.

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ukraine is gonna get ‘helped’ similarly. putin will have a free pass once the u.s. aid stops. i don’t think the other nato countries or the e.u. can cover that, especially long-term.

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I hope as soon as US aid stops, they launch everything they have at major Russian cities.

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I think the EU will change. If Ukraine falls, territory grabs from Poland, Finland and Hungary are next. Those are actually EU constituents.

Hungary will not leave the EU btw. Orbán’s days are numbered, what with the Tisza overflowing.

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Y’all are thinking pretty small, Putin won’t just have a free pass about us aid, Putin has a pass to our entire structure. Their military might be shit but their Intel apparatus is not at all.

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Okay my man look at the margins. The anti-genocide people could’ve all voted and it wouldn’t have flipped a single state outside of Michigan. And the thing is: Harris lost before Michigan even finished counting. So yeah, you’re barking up the wrong tree here.

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Please give me the numbers of these in every swing state along with how they were determined.

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The anti-genocide people could’ve all voted and it wouldn’t have flipped a single state outside of Michigan.

See, if you’d said the anti-genocide people who protest voted could’ve all voted for Harris, you might’ve had a point.

But turnout in this election for the Democratic candidate was significantly decreased, and an uncertain number of those were anti-genocide.

Abstaining gave Trump the presidency. Abstaining for what reason varies, but Gaza was clearly an issue for some to stay home.

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This is one of the excuses they are giving rather than accept any culpability whatsoever. “Even if we voted for Harris, Trump would still have won.”

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This not to mention down-ballot congressional races.

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Abstaining gave Trump the presidency. Abstaining for what reason varies, but Gaza was clearly an issue for some to stay home.

Yes, and I’m saying that Gaza wasn’t an issue for enough people to matter. Harris needed Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan to win, and while I can see pro-Palestinian votes swinging Michigan I simply doubt there were enough of them in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to matter. If you think otherwise, then you have more faith in the American people than me I guess.

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The outcome of the election doesn’t change the fact that 18% of voters wasted their vote on a Russian plant.

In the end it didn’t matter but it does matter that they knew the election was close and their protest vote could’ve very well been the deciding factor. They decided to make the statement despite the risk of having someone much worse winning. Now, go plead your cause to Trump.

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The fact that the person representing the choice to act is also giving a WTF, dude face is hilarious.

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There is no way for you, or anyone, to know how many people abstained from voting over any one issue, 🤡

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I truly cannot grasp how uninformed one has to be to claim to be for Palestinians but think helping Trump’s odds was strategically better. Such profound ignorance is on par with maga, themselves.

On another note I want absolutely nothing to do with Mehdi Hasan. I supported him for quite some time but he got tunnel vision to such a degree he ended up thinking completely irrationally and contributing to the problem. He’s venturing into Jill Stein territory for me.

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I’m expecting mega stupid bullshit like Trump lifting sanctions in exchange for Russia standing down so Trump can send American planes over and show the world we have the biggest and best bombs, while his megadonors line up for Russian contracts and celebrate

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Then he will be held to the same account Harris was.

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What are you even talking about? Harris is the Vice President. Exactly what do you think her job responsibilities and powers are?

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She said she would not have changed a single decision that was made during the Biden administration. Biden said that she was in 100% agreement with every decision made. Which means she agreed to the current conditions

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Tell us you don’t know what a VP does without telling us you don’t know what a VP does.

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Stoppig the genocide… Who started it?

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Israel. What’s your point?

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Cool so Trump won’t be responsible for stopping the genocide either. Everything falls on Israel.

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“They” were persons holding “real” opinions, I’m afraid. Just as the russians calling for “russophobia” 2 months prior to the special genocidal operation

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So no real change from Biden or Harris then?

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Yes, apart from the blank check part and Trump telling Netanyahu to “finish the job” on national TV, no real change at all.

Oh, and also the impending genocides of brown and queer people, but I was told before the election that those weren’t important and/or wouldn’t happen.

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Biden and Harris was/is still finishing the job. Trump may have said it out loud, but it’s happening right now.

Harris abandoned queers, brown people, and the entire progressive side of the party and needed to pay the consequences.

I hope those right wing votes they courted were worth their efforts

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Ah, another new excuse to avoid any responsibility. “It doesn’t matter that I didn’t vote for Harris because it will be just as bad in Gaza either way.”

Anything to help you sleep at night.

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Harris abandoned queers, brown people, and the entire progressive side of the party and needed to pay the consequences.

No, the queer community, brown people, disabled people, etc will now pay the consequences. gg

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They were courting anyone from the political spectrum who was still a constitutionalist, lefties included, to unite against whatever trump’s mood happens to be that day.

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What in the past 13 months has made you believe that Biden is not giving Israel a blank check to what they want and just finish the job?

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The fact that it hasn’t happened?

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Put the same amount of bodies on both tracks and it would be accurate.

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How so? Trump is about to kick things up to 11

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Incorrect

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For everyone not aware, given everything else that’s going on—yes, that’s world war

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At some point some people were even saying Harris is worse than the same. For your sanity, I only hope you don’t have family in the Middle East.

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Rashida Tlaib’s district is a prime example of this, she kept her seat by a wide margin while Dems lost the state. They decided to ignore their voter base and suffered the consequences.

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It’s pretty normal for people not to vote for someone genociding their family. It’s her fault, not the voters. The same way Democrats threw away the votes of the left and Palestinians because they didn’t care if they were being genocided is the same logic the right uses to vote for Trump for the economy despite all the damage he’ll do to women and other minorities. You’re all equally selfish and you don’t have the moral high ground when you’re supporting a genocide and quieting any dissent on it. People tried to say this could lose her the election, but nothing can be the politicians fault, of course, just the voters.

Anyway, turns out it wasn’t the genocide anyway. She lost Michigan because of it probably but it didn’t matter anywhere else, and she lost the election before it was even added. You can add up all the third party votes and it didn’t amount to shit. It was the economy. It always is. People in fucking rural Pennsylvania haven’t been reading hexbear posts or whatever. They just didn’t buy what she was selling.

Or course, if it was the genocide, that just proves what the left was saying all along: she’s got to do better on this issue or she can lose the election, and she’d rather lose than not do a genocide. Turned out she probably would’ve lost either way but still, hopefully the next Democrat candidate will do better, or we can supplant the party with a new one that can run an actual campaign. You can keep doing the bullying thing, but it didn’t work this election, or in 2016, and it won’t work next election either. Stop trying to convince the voters to care about what you want them to care about, and telling them not to care about what you don’t care about, and time to meet them where they are.

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