All the people who were screeching to abandon Harris because of Gaza seem awfully quiet now
Gosh but I heard that all genocide is equal and Biden is literally the devil. Do you mean that having a meaningful impact on whether Palestinians live or die was worth swallowing my pride and voting for Harris? But isn’t my ideal that no Palestinian should die more important than actually saving the lives of Palestinians?
/s I absolutely can’t fucking stand people who were unable to realize that less harm would, in fact, be less harmful.
You say “unable to realize”, I say “intentionally pushed a false narrative to increase voter apathy”.
Especially since many of them refused to engage any discussion on how much worse Trump would be.
I have a feeling a lot of them were not American. The bot farms are quiet now because they got what they wanted.
or they don’t want to post on this echo chamber of rich privileged neolibs who enabled a genocide to happen, mocked col and got fascist selected by being toxic to anyone not slurping up dnc bs on everything ?
what happened to crook biden’s one term promise ? he did nothing on row vs jade to use it for reelection campaign, he did nothing to control inflation as he needed the superpacs dough for campaign fund ? he farted bs on gaza again and again ? did he even said a word after 30 day ultimatum when israel continues blocking food and vaccines for kids while setting hospitals on fire ? and now after election he is jerking off together with trump on fooling us with this farce.
dnc know they will one of the two choices becoz of spineless cks like you who will be happy to vote for promises of scraps.
one would think that maybe with all the sucking up here like reddit was just bots given how the elections turned out but content here is too stupid for today llm’s
and just like maga trash you can only talk shit behind keyboard. people in nyc are so angry at dnc rn that you will be lucky to not get punched saying any of the heavily voted snobbery here.
Well it’s not like Biden/Harris actually tried for a ceasefire. There’s really not much change other than the quiet part being said out loud.
Not much change yet… like I said in another thread, let’s just save this comment and revisit it in 2025, shall we?
The escalations we’re going to see over the coming months were going to happen with a Republican as President or Democrat. The past 13 months has shown Israel can get away with virtually whatever they want. They were never intending on stopping regardless of the outcome of the election.
For those uninformed link to that R site
Nah, they’re clamoring for Biden to hurry up and stop shipment of arms to Israel and get the ceasefire some before Trump gets into office. Too little to late guys, Israel won’t care, won’t do shit now that they know trump won.
We’ve been clamoring for it since Biden first bypassed congress to directly send them weapons and money after October.
Israel has never cared so far and gotten away with everything, so nothing has changed there.
You just keep thinking that both sides are bad even when one party, despite its flaws, tried to push for peace and the other side publicly expressed genocide is the preferred solution.
Good luck on the upcoming year in affecting change!
That and Israel doesn’t NEED our weapons to keep doing what they’re doing, they never have.
Cutting them off only makes them weaker should they be attacked by Iran and does nothing to stop the genocide.
That and Israel doesn’t NEED our weapons to keep doing what they’re doing, they never have.
Uh… Seriously look up what political scientists have to say about this. Israel uses too much, well, everything compared to what they can produce themselves.
Cutting them off only makes them weaker should they be attacked by Iran
And how is that a bad thing? Israel wouldn’t be able to do this shit if the US wasn’t protecting it from its neighbors.
I mean what’s there to say? Yeah we know Trump fucking sucks what do you want them to do? There’s barely anything to say when he hasn’t done anything ywt.
He already said he’s giving Israel a blank cheque. Not sure how that’s “nothing”
Anticolonialist turned into a puff of smoke immediately after the election.
I’m pretty sure they were just banned. This place has become somewhat of a lib echo chamber.
Everyone pointing at people that didn’t vote for Harris over Gaza like this is some gotcha moment are totally missing the point. If Gaza was your primary concern (like if you and your family are Palestinian perhaps) neither candidate was going to do anything for you at all. Harris paid a tiny bit of lip service to Gaza two days before the election after months of shutting down and ignoring everyone demanding ceasefire.
I voted Harris purely out of harm reduction, but she offered nothing to anyone on the left. The DNC assumes everyone that is queer or bipoc or a woman owes them their vote and then used the platform to court non-existent center right voters.
But nah, let’s pretend that Harris, who took Biden’s positions wholesale, would have done something different as if they weren’t currently in power. Let’s pretend they would have done something to restore abortion rights too, or tackle climate change or raise the minimum wage when they’re so busy trying to get fascist votes and not piss off the coporate donor class.
The Democratic party needs to be rebuilt from scratch or not rebuilt at all.
Everyone pointing at people that didn’t vote for Harris over Gaza like this is some gotcha moment are totally missing the point.
Yes, yes. We get your “point”. Harris’s policy on Gaza was bad, so of course the clear solution was to hand the Presidency to someone who would make it worse. To send a message.
Good job, guys. Your message was loud and clear. I’m sure that in 2028, Democrats might have a slightly more pro-Palestine agenda. Maybe. Until they realize there’s a hell of a lot more Jewish voters that would be even more pissed off. Lesson learned. I’m sure the people of Palestine who will lose their land, their families, and their lives between now and then will take solace in knowing that you sacrificed their lives on their behalf to send a political message in a country 5000 miles away. I’m sure that’s exactly what they wanted.
Except that basically every angle except geopolitics, MIC profits, and AIPAC money, pointed towards curbing Israel/Bibi as a a good move. Even a free and independent Palestine has supermajority support - from a Nov-Oct poll of American Jewish voters:
Jewish voters… priorities include a major speech proposing a Palestinian state and diplomatic relations between Israel and Arab states (72 percent) and increasing humanitarian aid to Palestinians (71 percent). There is also significant support (66 percent) for sanctioning Israeli ministers Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich for aiding violent settler attacks against Palestinians.
Emphasis mine. Review the data if you care, but the continuation of Bidens policies was a huge self own. Resolve the issue and Republicans/Russian messaging of ‘Genocide Joe’ falls flat.
Those Palestinians were going to lose their land, families and lives either way. Biden has done nothing to stop Israel, neither would Harris. She made it abundantly clear that “protecting” Israel was more important than stopping genocide.
Gaza didn’t cost Harris the election. Maybe Michigan, but even that’s a stretch. Democrats lost ground in literally every demographic other than 100k+ income because, again, they campaigned to the right and offered absolutely nothing to the left.
If Harris told any other assumed Democratic group to fuck off this hard, nobody would be surprised they didn’t vote for her. If she ran as pro-life to court Trumpers and her support from women collapsed we wouldn’t be screaming about them getting in line, we’d be talking about Harris betraying those voters. This is no different, it just affects a far smaller voting bloc that people feel comfortable scapegoating.
Those Palestinians were going to lose their land, families and lives either way. Biden has done nothing to stop Israel, neither would Harris. She made it abundantly clear that “protecting” Israel was more important than stopping genocide.
Let’s be realistic. Israel could raze Palestine any time it wants. They have the backing of the US and a vastly superior military. If Israel thought Biden and Harris would support Israel annexing the West Bank, they’d have done it over a year ago. In fact, they specifically said they’re annexing the West Bank because they have Trump’s backing.
If you were going to lose your land, would you rather lose your land X months or years from now, knowing you at least have a roof over your head until then and being able to hold on to the hope that maybe things might get better, or would you rather just wake up tomorrow with a giant orange bulldozer gleefully running over your house? Saying “It was going to happen anyway” is not only demonstrably false, but also doesn’t mean that the solution to that problem is making it happen faster. If Israel were going to annex the west bank under a Biden administration, he’d have done it already.
that Harris, who took Biden’s positions wholesale
Except for the instances where she moved further to the right, like on capital gains tax.
You know, you should have read this before you claim Harris offered nothing to anyone on the left: https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/30/kamala-harris-2024-campaign-promises-here-are-her/
Everything on that list is typical neoliberal Democrat tinkering around the edges while the world burns.
It’s not that the individual ideas are bad, it’s that they have no vision of a better future for most people. Where is Medicare For All? Where is tuition free college? Where is anything that isn’t just a bandaid for a specific paper cut when the whole goddam country is being devoured by fascists and corporations?
That’s the meat I’m talking about - something that millions of people on the left could vote for in self interest. What we got was meat for checks notes non-Medicare diabetics.
Something, something Republicans are peacemakers.
Well, you can’t be at war against an enemy that doesn’t exist. If there are no more palestinians, you can’t be at war with them.
Let them who are most pro-war get to fight on the front lines.
Idc if it’s a one sided genocide, this fluffy politician who wouldn’t last a 3 mile ruck should get to experience wtf he’s actually advocating.
lol what the fuck else could anyone expect? He’s an invertebrate.
