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Not one single government cares so much about it tho.

Higher temperatures will free up soil for agriculture in upper and lower latitudes. With luck, population size will keep increasing then for those countries and also quality of life

Coastal cities can fight it, at least some to some degree.

If we get fusion between our lifetimes, things are going to get even better

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Not one single government cares so much about it tho.

Way to generalise, bro. There are some low lying island states that are going to disappear under the rising sea levels. I think they are taking it pretty seriously.

Don’t bullshit please.

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If people and government really cared that much about it, we all would be living in a totalitarian planetary government, controlling by the milligram every expense that is not calorically viable to post culling population of billions.

Either or they ALL would be pumping up so much nuclear centrals that we be drowning on the almost free energy

Either that, or they ALL would be pushing for the creation and implementation of a totally viable lunar base to construct a full orbital cache of microwave solar emitters, with the accompanying swarm of orbital mirrors to reduce the sun’s impact on the atmosphere

We see advance in neither of those

So yeah who’s bullshitting who. I know they don’t care and don’t have to pretend like they do

Your pathological need to believe a blatant lie due to your own powerlessness? That’s all on you

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3 points

Meth. Not even once.

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Venus does have a lot of valuable materials, this could be a good thing.

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I’d rather live somewhere habitable than somewhere with “valuable materials”.

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I can’t wait to see the shareholder value.

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Earth has been around for 4.5 million years. Humans have only been around for 300,000 years approximately. With only a few hundred years of the industrial age.

Would a few hundred years really cause an extinction event?

That’s interesting to think about… Perhaps it’ll take a few hundreds/thousand years to fix. If it can be fixed… Or we get hit by an asteroid first…

Between cutting down all of the trees and other pollutants, like these so called environmentalists flying around in their own private jets, it’ll be fun for a while.

Either the humans will die off due to global warming/runaway greenhouse effect before interstellar travel is achieved, or the humans will die off due to the suns transformation into a red giant before interstellar travel is achieved.

IDK. Either way, we won’t be here for long. But the earth will be long after us.

Will technology save the human race beyond the two inevitable events? Probably not.

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I assume that the red giant sun engulfing the earth will produce enough drag that earth loses momentum and falls into the sun permanently. We’ll still be gone by then, but noting is forever, even the earth itself.

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Yes , you’re right. The red giant will consume the Earth.

We won’t be alive if there’s a mass Exodus from earth, but is that even possible?

Probably not

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This is why it’s silly hearing billionaires, who do the most damage to our planet, telling us how urgently we need to “get off this rock” which has supported life for millions of years in favor of some dead planet. It’s really just an extension of capitalism that demands infinite space to exploit, instead of being content with sustainability.

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Elon’s argument for why we need to spread to other planets holds true even if everything on Earth were going perfectly.

It’s not about getting everyone off Earth - it’s about creating a backup for humanity on other planets. This ensures that the only known flame of consciousness in the universe isn’t extinguished by a nuclear war, pandemic, supervolcano, or asteroid impact. It’s about not having all your eggs in one basket.

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By extension it would give more of an excuse for the top 1% to give even less of a fck about earth and the climate. Next thing you’d see is all the rich bailing to another planet while those who can’t afford it are left with what’s left of earth and the hellscape they left behind (and probably still have more agency over earth than those still living on there).

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That’s quite cynical view. There’s about 0% chance of that happening during their lifetime. Or you think they’ll just want to go to mars and sit inside some capsule for the rest of their lives? C’moon now…

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And, if people like Musk hold it, it would let them tax us etc.

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If you can make people survive on Mars, you’re more than able to make pockets of humanity survive those disasters on Earth

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Our bodies are simply not made to leave earth for a long period. It’s a lofty goal but completely unrealistic when considering our biology has evolved specifically to live here.

Has no one learned anything from War of the Worlds?

Also, remember how humanity really messed things up when we started colonising other parts of our globe? We brought disease, we murdered and we polluted.

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This is not risk free. When you give people access to space and still have terrorism and wars, things can end badly quickly.

There’s also a valid argument around where to best focus those resources now. We are nowhere near ready for space colonization on any scale, let alone sustainable ones.

A City on Mars by the Wienersmiths dives into some of these challenges if you are interested.

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We will most likely always have terrorism and wars. That’s not an argument against letting wealthy individuals fund a private space race.

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I think it would be a good idea to start colonizing space before “we have our shit figured out on earth”, since you know, that will never actually happen. We will have wars on earth for all eternity, we should colonize and explore space anyway.

Honestly, I strongly believe that striving to make space habitats work is one of the things that will finally teach us what we need to know to live sustainably on earth. The thing is, an affordable space colony is one that recycles almost everything, one that works mostly as a closed loop, a sustainable bubble. So in other words, if you know how to survive in a space colony, you know how to live without destroying the earth. And extreme sustainability is really the natural goal with any large space colony. Unfortunately nobody is really trying to do that here on earth, the funding, the engineering, it just isn’t happening. But if we start seriously attempting habitats in space, then people will be attempting that somewhere… And once we figure out how to do it, it can be reapplied to life on earth.

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It should also be a strong strong signal to stop listening to the apes that are hoarding all the bananas, and instead, eat that banana-hoarding abhorrence.

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Bananas make for a terrible time value storage in the real world

In donkey Kong country tho? He who controls bananas controls the universe

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I heard if you ingest huge quantities of bananine, you will see the golden path humanity must walk, but will be condemned to life as a half banana, half human monstrosity.

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Venusforming earth is a lot like terraforming mars, it’s just hard to reach. If 200 years ago we were able to easily reach mars, we would have fucked up that too

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