Cuz I wanna know if I need to create and finish a bucket list if that’s the case lmao.
You’re asking this in the site that was sure Russia wouldn’t actually invade Ukraine
You are missing the point. We are all Russian bots and Russia not invading Ukraine was a psyop to create confusion in NAFO headquarters. Also our next operation is called ‘nothing every happen’
I’m gonna say not a chance, but then again I also was adamant that Putin would never invade Ukraine, sooo…
Rule #1 of nuclear war is don’t live in or near a major city, so I’m screwed.
On the contrary, rule #1 of nuclear war is live directly next to a major target so you get the instantaneous atomization death over the cancer-and-famine option.
Yes, and try and live close to the center of where you think the nuke would be targeted. If it comes, you’ll be vaporized instantly with no awareness. Depending on the size of the nuke, if you’re outside of that radius, you get shockwave, firestorm and fallout depending on distance, and while you will almost certainly die, it may not be quick and painless.
if it comes, you’ll be vaporized instantly with no awareness.
but what if you’re opening the fridge for a late midnight muckbang video with a last minute sponser and then suddenly the initial shockware knocks you into the fridge and when you get out all your manikins are on fire?
1.) If you see the flash move away from the windows. They’re gonna explode like grenades in a second or two. Get down behind something. Once the blast wave passes stay in cover because it’s gonna come back from the other direction as the blast wave collapses in to the vacuum created by the explosion
2.) TURN OFF THE GAS. Much of the devastation in Japan was caused by out of control gas fires.
3.) Fill the tub and any containers with water ASAP.
4.) Seal up the house as much as you can. It’ll keep some of the fallout outside until it settles.
5.) Cover your nose and mouth. An N95 is ideal but anything, even a rag soaked in water, is better than nothing.
6.) If you’re instructed to evacuate move away from the debris plume at a right angle. If the wind is blowing all the fallout south you want to go east or west to get out from under the fallout as soon as possible.
7.) If you survive the initial blast and don’t die of radiation poisoning your biggest radiation risk is going to be ingesting irradiated material. Filter all water. Avoid water from the fallout zone. Use bottled or stored water as much as possible.
8.) If you’ve got them take iodine tablets. This will flood your system with iodine causing your body to pass excess iodine out. This may prevent radioactive iodine from accumulating in your thyroid.
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Rule #1 is actually don’t live near nuclear silos.
If there is a war, whoever the US will be exchanging with will target capacity for more strikes. So, they will target those sites. I hear many of them are in the midwest and throughout that expanse. So, you shouldn’t live in those rural areas either if you’re close to one.
Although cities will also be targeted, especially if there are secret nuclear silos that the other country knows about. I have no doubt in my mind they use cities as human shields for nukes.
Dont forget places where airplanes, submarines, and other nuclear-capable vehicles are stored.
I live near a nuclear submarine repair shipyard, a naval air base, a joint army/air force base, and a major airport. I’m gonna be an ash shadow on a wall
Rule #1…
It’s far more complicated than that. The nuclear sponge is Colorado, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, and Wyoming.
Welcome to America’s “Nuclear Sponge” - Defense One
The United States currently deploys hundreds of nuclear missiles across Colorado, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, and Wyoming. Each missile carries a nuclear payload many times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb, capable of killing hundreds of thousands of people. The Pentagon is now planning to build a new, deadlier generation of these missiles, which are housed in underground silos.
But these intercontinental ballistic missiles, or ICBMs, are not meant to be launched, ever. Not even in a nuclear war. Their primary mission is to be destroyed in the ground, along with all the people that live anywhere near them. Their main purpose is to “absorb” a nuclear attack from Russia, acting as a giant “nuclear sponge.” Such is the twisted logic of atomic warfare.
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I thought Russia wouldn’t invade Ukraine because it was an obvious trap to ensnare Russia in a quagmire. But now assessing the situation years later, nah, the west is the one who’s stuck. Russia hasn’t gone full blown war. Didn’t occupy. And really is sapping western resources.
It occurs for me that, just as America is run by a lot of ancient Cold Warriors who always thought on some level they could win the big one, there are probably surviving Cold Warriors, including Putin himself, for which NATO encroachment to within a few hundred km of Moscow and 0 warning short range missile launches has been a nightmare scenario for almost seventy years.
I’d never thought about it before, but that might be a big factor in their math. They’ve got to have decades of worst case war plans for what NATO would be capable of if they completed encirclement.
Chapo did an excellent interview with Norman Finkelstein a while ago where Norm points out the Early Life section of Putin’s Wikipedia page:
Putin’s birth was preceded by the deaths of two brothers: Albert, born in the 1930s, died in infancy, and Viktor, born in 1940, died of diphtheria and starvation in 1942 during the Siege of Leningrad by Nazi Germany’s forces in World War II.[29][30]
Putin’s mother was a factory worker, and his father was a conscript in the Soviet Navy, serving in the submarine fleet in the early 1930s. During the early stage of the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union, his father served in the destruction battalion of the NKVD.[31][32][33] Later, he was transferred to the regular army and was severely wounded in 1942.[34] Putin’s maternal grandmother was killed by the German occupiers of Tver region in 1941, and his maternal uncles disappeared on the Eastern Front during World War II.[35]
He infers from this that Putin seems to have grown up in the shadow of the ravages of the Nazi invasion of the USSR, which notoriously went how it went in part because Stalin underestimated how quickly the Nazis would attack. He took a passive approach despite the Nazis being on his doorstep and something like 20 million Soviet civilians died for it.
This isn’t to lay very much blame on Stalin, I don’t know enough about the situation to do so, but it does lend itself to the lesson that when scratched liberals are right there, existentially threatening you, you don’t just wait for them to pull the trigger.
Norm put it much better than I could have. I believe it’s buried somewhere in this episode: https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/718-the-view-feat-norman-finkelstein-32823 which is mostly about other things.
Nothing ever happens
-me, feb 2022, days prior to obliterating my predictive credibility with my partner
Ukraine? I was in discord talking to a Russian friend when it popped off and both of us were certain it wasn’t gonna happen lol
Tbh days was being generous to me, the day of I was so secure that they were lies about Russian buildup and they were just exercises and that it wasn’t going to be anything. And then I was wrong 😢
who cares? if we do we’ll still have to go to work.
It’s more possible now than a month ago for sure, but I’d still say fairly unlikely. That’s a real big move that it seems like Russia doesn’t need to take. They could achieve the retaliation they would need with just like a whole bunch of conventional weapons. That being said I don’t know shit, I didn’t think the war itself was gonna happen. Using a nuke is real extra, if they send one they’d better send em all cause the consequences of using one nuke militarily isn’t a situation they could come out of without using enough nukes there could be no retaliation and I don’t know if Ukraine is worth that.
There’s just no way that there isn’t retaliation. We’re still operating under MAD. Between air force, Navy, and ICBMs, there’s too many nukes on both sides that dozens but more probably hundreds of millions of people would die. The entire point of the Ukraine war is to prevent NATO from getting any closer and possibly sticking nukes (or targets that would invoke a nuclear response from NATO) within striking distance such that retaliation couldn’t occur in time to sustain MAD. It’s very similar to the Cuban/Turkish standoff that occurred at the height of the cold war. I see the change in doctrine more matching the US’ first strike policy and Russia trying to assert itself as a world power again. They’re putting those words into action with their current military endeavors and diplomatic moves, but statements like these are continuous opportunities for the West to pull their heads out of their asses and recognize the change in reality beneath them.
There will for sure be retaliation but I doubt it’ll be with nuclear weapons at least in the near-ish future. MAD, despite its ghoulishness has worked and really us the only way to keep the world in balance after nuclear bombs were invented. It’s ugly but it kept Korea, Vietnam and God knows how many places potentially from being a nuclear crater. We know America was down to use nukes at will to get what it wanted before the soviets got the a bomb and fundamentally little has changed in that regard. So yeah, I agree. It’s been shown that nato winning the war on behalf of Ukraine is only possible through the destruction of the earth and I don’t think it’s quite important enough for that. But I also don’t think they’ll back down without doing something really stupid first.
It’s fucking horrifying that putting a nuclear gun to the world’s head is the only thing that stopped America from using nuclear genocide to crush all opposition and rule the world unopposed.
This^
Hot take here, I think Putin is a rational actor with actual strategy. One of the few people on the world stage that to me aren’t cartoonishly evil, more like a calculated psychopath.
The severity of going nuclear in this situation would prevent anyone but a bond villain with a death wish to even attempt it. It’s a valuable thing to remind people.you are a nuclear power but it’s fucking suicide to actually set one off. Nukes are more powerful when you don’t use them. Once you do you can’t threaten people with nuclear war and also are burdened with the apocalyptic reality of following through with it. If limited scale nuclear war were viable without setting off nuclear Armageddon we would have already seen tactical nukes dropped on Iraq.
