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2024: What are you doing with 16GB RAM and 300% CPU at 5.4GHz?

  • Running some random process introduced with Windows 11 that adds literally nothing to the users experience other than heat and fan noise
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Haven’t you noticed? Windows 11 24H2 got ported to an electron app

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I mean, the taskbar, start menu and file explorer header is written in react native

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Wait seriously? I’d have assumed it would at least be written in .NET or something and not fucking JavaScript.

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11 points

That flashing colon between hour and minute is rendered server-side! What a masterpiece!

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6 points

If true, that… explains a lot.

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what do you means adds nothing? it adds all the ads and telemetry services, and the services that make sure the other services are not turned off 🤣

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Running some random process introduced with Windows 11 that adds literally nothing to the users experience other than heat and fan noise

You forgot to mention how important and helpful the telemetry will be! /s

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Also, games went from writing the most cleverly optimized code you’ve ever seen to squeeze every last drop of compute power out of a 6502 CPU all while fitting on a ROM cartridge to not giving a single shit about any sort of efficiency, blowing up the install size with unused and duplicated assets, and literally making fun of anyone without the latest highest end computer for being poor.

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Ah, back when game development was managed by game developers who were gamers themselves and prioritized quality over min-maxing shareholder profits…

Or another way to look at it, is that it was the market takeover phase of capitalism where capitalists are willing to operate at a loss to corner the market and create their own monopolies (see Nintendo, Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc). But once market grow stalls out they switch to the milking phase or enshitification phase of capitalism where they prioritize profits over everything else

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IIRC software development, including games, was a pretty gritty industry last century too.

It’s more a matter of having the luxury of space for bloat. (Most of the anti-user features are new, though)

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11 points

Most of the time, even high end computers don’t cut it because the optimization is dog shit.

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Balatro never did that.

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I know it’s a one-of-a-kind game, but it still amazes me that Roller Coaster Tycoon released in 1999, a game where you could have hundreds of NPCs on screen at a time, unique events and sound effects for each of those NPCs, physics simulations of roller coasters and rides, terrain manipulation, and it was all runnable on pretty basic hardware at that time. Today’s AAA games could never. I’m glad some indie games are still carrying the torch for small, efficient games that people can play on any hardware though.

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It’s a different world now though. I could go into detail of the differences, but suffice to say you cannot compare them.

Having said that, Windows lately seems to just be slow on very modern systems for no reason I can ascertain.

I swapped back to Linux as primary os a few weeks ago and it’s just so snappy in terms of ui responsiveness. It’s not better in every way. But for sure I never sit waiting for windows to decide to show me the context menu for an item in explorer.

Anyway in short, the main reason for the difference with old and new computer systems is the necessary abstraction.

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That’s complete nonsense I’m afraid. While abstractions are necessary, the bloat of modern software absolutely isn’t. A lot of the bloat isn’t fundamental, but a result of things growing through accretion, and people papering over legacy designs instead of starting fresh.

The selection pressures of the industry do not favor efficiency. Software developers are able to write inefficient software and rely on hardware getting faster. Meanwhile, hardware manufacturers benefit from bloated software because it creates demand for new hardware.

Phones are a perfect example of this in action. Most of the essential apps on the phone haven’t changed in any significant way in over a decade. Yet, they continue getting less and less performant without any visible benefit for the user. Imagine if instead, hardware stayed the same and people focused on optimizing software to be more efficient over the past decade.

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Except it’s not nonsense. I’ve worked in development through both eras. You need to develop in an abstracted way because there are so many variations on hardware to deal with.

There is bloating for sure, and of course. A lot is because it’s usually much better to use an existing library than reinvent the wheel. And the library needs to cover many other use cases than your own. I encountered this myself, where I used a Web library to work with releases on forgejo, had it working generally, but then saw there was a library for it. The boilerplate to make the library work was more than I did to just make the Web requests.

But that’s mostly size. The bloat in terms of speed is mostly in the operating system I think and hardware abstraction. Not libraries by and large.

I’m also going to say legacy systems being papered over doesn’t always make things slower. Where I work, I’ve worked on our legacy system for decades. But on the current product for probably the past 5-10. We still sell both. The legacy system is not the slower system.

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Abstraction does not have to imply significant performance loss.

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You’re making the fallacy of equating abstractions with inefficiency. Abstractions are indeed useful, and they make it possible to express higher level concepts easily. However, most of inefficiency we have in modern tech stacks doesn’t come from the need for abstraction. It comes from the fact that these stacks evolved over many decades, and things were bolted on as the need arose. This is even a problem at a hardware level now https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3212479

The problem isn’t that legacy systems are themselves inefficient, it’s with the fact that things have been bolted on top of them now to do things that were never envisioned originally, to provide backwards compatibility, and so on. Take something like Windows as an example that can still run DOS programs from the 80s. The amount of layers you have in the stack is mind blowing.

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Completely unconnected to OP, but oh fuck do I hate that Microsoft Excel couldn’t open two documents side by side before like 2017. They all opened in one instance of the app unless you launch another as an admin, and it even screamed at you that it can’t open files with the same name. W?T?F?

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I think it still can’t open two files with the same name or?

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Haha I still remember finding that out

God how dumb

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yeah excel be super dumb af like that 🥴

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4 points

It excells at being dumb, one can say (:

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Check out KolibriOS. It’s a tiny modern operating system written in assembly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KolibriOS

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