One of the admins at lemmy.blahaj.zone asked us to purge a community and all of its users because they thought it was full of child sexual abuse material, aka CSAM, fka kiddy porn. We assured them that we had checked this comm thoroughly and we were satisfied that all of the models on it were of age.
The admin then demanded we purge the comm because they mistook it for CSAM, and claimed that the entire point of the community was to make people think it was CSAM. We vehemently disagreed that that was in fact the point of the community, but they decided to defederate from us anyway. That is of course their choice, but we will not purge our communities or users because someone else makes a mistake of fact, and then lays the responsibility for their mistake at our feet.
If someone made a community intended to fool people into thinking it was kiddy porn, that would be a real problem. If someone of age goes online and pretends – not roleplays, but pretends with intent to deceive – to be a child and makes porn, that is a real problem. Nobody here is doing that.
One of the reasons we run our instance the way that we do is that we want it to be inclusive. We don’t body shame, and we believe that all adults have a right to sexual expression. That means no adult on our instance is too thin, fat, bald, masculine, old, young, cis, gay, etc., to be sexy, and that includes adults that look younger than some people think they should. Everyone has a right to lust and to be lusted after. There’s no way to draw a line that says “you can’t like adult people that look like X” without crossing a line that we will not cross.
EDIT: OK, closing this post to new comments. Everything that needs saying has been said. Link to my convo with the blahaj admin here.
After reading your post over at lemmynsfw, it’s pretty clear they were looking for a rationale to defederate and would have done that no matter what you did to prevent it.
You made the right choice if with an unfortunate outcome.
I don’t know if that’s true. I mean, maybe? Or maybe they just don’t want to see certain things and if so, that’s their prerogative. Some people may call this a platitude, but I truly think that’s the beauty of the Fediverse – diverse views, diverse approaches, diverse comfort levels.
It’s their server. Their choice. Thanks for your hard work!
FYI, when you’re replying to someone you don’t need to @ them. You only need to when you’re not directly replying to them.
I don’t have a problem with lemmnsfw.com and find a lot of the material to be tasteful pornography. I rather agree with no body and image shaming. While my instance doesn’t host any communities yet, I see no reason federate with them as similar communities can be found on other instances with much less heavy-handed tactics. I’ll wash my hands of https://lemmy.blahaj.zone in solidarity.
I feel sorry for the poor blahaj name.
After reading both admin statements I’m not sure which side I fall on. Both raise legitimate concerns.
On one hand, it’s incredibly shitty to shame someone for how they look, regardless of what they’re doing.
On the other hand, fetishizing childlike appearances is also pretty skeevy, even if everyone is an adult.
However, my understanding is that this is how the fediverse is designed to operate.
Everyone has the ability to host whatever content they want and also choose which instances they want to see content from.
Blahaj.zone isn’t going anywhere and if you still want to see the stuff there, there are numerous instances that can let you do that. Accounts are free.
Looking through the alleged community (!adorableporn@lemmynsfw.com) I’m really not seeing anything that looks inherently like it could be misinterpreted as CSAM.
A lot of people are taking it at face value that fetishizing childlike appearances even happened here, which it has not. This instance’s rules ban even fictive depictions of the underage. Drawings, anything.
No one disagrees that fetishizing children is bad. No one. What you have here is the blahaj mods flipping out and thinking that this occurred when it did not. They even falsely claimed that the admins here are okay with that happening, which they are not.
Let’s not dignify their position by accepting their false premise and then saying “you know they kinda have a point.”
I’ve seen both of these posts now, and it leads me to wonder what is the community? because this sounds like the same situation as the jailbait subreddit a long time ago, and if it’s literally a jailbait community then i’d have to agree with their decision to defederate. hosting jailbait porn is gross, equating that position to bodyshaming is insane.
Jailbait is by definition people that are under legal age, or at least pretending to be. If someone is of legal age they by definition cannot be jailbait. The appeal there is the violation of the statutory taboo, the allure of the forbidden fruit. That is not OK and we won’t tolerate that.
If a grownup has a round face and is wearing braces, which is the post that I suspect launched this whole kerfluffle, that’s just how they look. I’m not going to tell them that they can’t be sexy, or you that you can’t be into them being sexy, because of their face or their dental work. Now, you can see why someone might be concerned that someone that has braces might be underage, since many people that are underage have braces. But once we’ve confirmed that they aren’t underage, that should be the end of it.
Was it just that one post that caused all this? Honestly I was expecting something way worse not like a single post in a fairly active looking community…
They decided that because they mistook it for CSAM it should be taken down, and the entire community with it.
Because they assumed one image was CSAM.
It’s kinda nuts.
…was this one of the communitiew I made…wow
to be clear I am talking about !cutieswithbraces@lemmynsfw.com
It’s the one named braces here I think. !adorableporn@lemmynsfw.com
I’m not sure that’s equivalent comparison. I’m not sure of the community either, but my understanding is that everyone involved is an adult.
R/jailbait was hosting sexualized content of literal children.
This is closer to blocking a community because you feel that the models under the “teen” category look too young, even though they are all technically adults.
