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Fuck Funko Pops.

Fuck BrandShield.

I accuse them both of causing itch.io to go down and it is their fault.

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They requested a takedown before talking to the website owners? That’s such a hostile move

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197 points

DMCA used to be used very very rarely because it carries(carried?) significant penalties for using it like a club. Now it’s just being used like a club and it’s quite obvious there’s no penalty.

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I don’t believe that it was a malicious misuse. Most likely some fuckwit moron at Funko or Brandshield didn’t understand the difference between the hosting platform and the registrar and sent the takedown request to the wrong place out of negligence.

It wasn’t even a DMCA request.

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73 points

Doesn’t matter, compensation is in order.

If a company uses tools that act poorly, or does not invest in training staff appropriately, it is a decision they make to optimize their business.

When they fail, they should have to learn what the costs of those mistakes are. A tweet is not enough.

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81 points

Using AI driven software is willful negligence. Software can’t take responsibility so the human operating it needs to take responsibility for the consequences of it. They took down the entire thing they need to face consequences. The hosting provider should also face consequences for overly broad responses to take down requests.

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nobody is this stupid

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Except you wouldn’t ever dare build any kind of automated system for fear of this exact situation. Remove the fear part and financially you wouldn’t NOT build this system.

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2 points

Yeah i jumped to the conclusion, read the article and kept the additional incorrect info in my premise.

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There are lots of finger-pointing here. Funko said the takedown was done by their partner, BrandShield. BrandShield said it was a URL-specific (or is it subdomain?) takedown, not the whole domain. The registrar, Iwantmyname, responded said takedown by taking down the WHOLE domain.

I think Funko shouldn’t have trusted AI to do legal-related stuff. BrandShield is a stupid idea born from the AI-hype. It’s stupid and shouldn’t have existed. Iwantmyname is just as incompetent if not more–they haven’t even released any public statement about this. Their customer support are also slow to response apparently.

Itch.io should move domain registrar. Funko should stop using BrandShield, it only damages their brand more.

Also what’s up with Funko calling someone’s mom lol. that’s stupid


I also think that this is why AI won’t replace our jobs. I’ve seen many instances where technologies replaces jobs, but this ain’t it

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Well put, they can’t just palm it off on the third party. You hired them and green lit the action.

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I think Iwantmyname may be the worst player in this story.

Everyone else kind of did what they were expected to do:

  1. Itch provides a platform for user generated content and took down some questionable content when asked.
  2. Funko is an IP based toy company and asked a tech company to protect their IP online
  3. BrandShield is a fucking cancer of a service that acted aggressively to protect its client’s interests

But:

  1. Iwantmyname is meant to provide a domain name registration service, it’s a cutthroat industry where often times customer service is viewed as an unnecessary cost, but itch was their client and they should have been helping itch respond to the notice in a manner that allowed it to continue to exist. Instead they were willing to shut it down without any real dialog.

The rest might be decent business partners if you are looking for their kind of service but Iwantmyname isn’t to be trusted.

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Agree, though I would not use the word “decent” about BrandShield or Funko. Being harmfully lazy and immoral legally and according to contract is still harmfully lazy and immoral.

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While the registrar should have made more to understand the situation before acting, it’s important to keep in mind that according to itch.io, the request was not a DMCA takedown but an accusation of “fraud and fishing”. There’s probably a very large legal exposure for a registrar to let criminal website use their service if they are made aware of it, so reducing their liability is probably their highest priority.

BrandShield is inexcusable for using such a claim as a first step.

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Also: brand shield says they only wanted the url gone but you don’t get that when talking to the registrar. Registrar are all or nothing, so clearly they knew they were doing this

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yup. someone is lying here

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80 points

I think this is a very important point. Why would you talk to a registrar of the domain to get a specific page offline. This doesn’t make sense.

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The question is are they really that incompetent, or are they really that malicious? Add in mislabeling the report as fraud instead of infringement, I lean towards them being malicious, but I guess that could also be gross incompetence. Either way, Brandshield looks terrible.

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The Idea to use AI to detect possible copyright infringements isnt even that bad. Its gets bad when you trust the AI to be able to tell things apart. If the alerts from the AI aren’t reviewed by humans it is doomed to fail.

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17 points

URL-specific and they go to the registrar? What can they do, they don’t manage the hosting

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41 points

A corpo bully pointing fingers at some AI slop they use, how convenient

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86 points

I notice it doesn’t include the word “sorry”.

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It’s really just “this thing happened” and nothing else, as if they’re reporting on events where they’re just innocent bystanders. Instead of saying what they did, it’s “hey, we didn’t do [detail]”.

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14 points

Is it a legal liability thing to avoid using specific words? It’s hard to imagine it being bad PR to “properly” apologize (at least compared to releasing a non-apology apology statement).

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Yes, theoretically Itch could sue them for lost revenue. Brandshield should be very afraid of Funko getting sued since getting your client sued can’t look good

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I would imagine that admitting fault is a bad look when it comes to fighting the lawsuit that inevitably comes after. Hard to claim you’re not liable when you’ve made a statement saying it’s your fault.

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In USA yes. In Canada we made a law about exempting “sorry” specifically, not even joking lol.

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