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NTs aren’t running the world. Workaholic sociopaths are running the world.

NDs are becoming more and more socially accepted, and less willing to subjugate themselves. “Neurodivergent” seems to be a misnomer: NTs only seem to be “typical” when NDs closet themselves and try to emulate them.

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it makes me wonder how neurotypical people ended up running the world

Unless you’re being sarcastic, this is absolutely not the case.

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I see; I think we just had different definitions of “running the world.” I thought you meant literally the leaders of nations, but you meant setting the social conventions of society at large.

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there are all kinds of hidden social requirements, everything happens during the day

That’s how you optimize the oprhan crushing machine…

Surely nerodivergent person can appreciate a good optimization game?

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Yeah, I wouldn’t call narcissists neurotypical.

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It’s not whether it existed or not, it’s the prevalence of it. Nothing wrong with it of course.

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Neither the greeks nor the romans were particularly shy about it and… Let’s call it non-christian ideas about sex have cropped up at various places and various times in history. That’s before the invention of plastics, so it got to be some good proof to be able to point a clear finger away from culture and towards plastics.

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Routine treatment for autism, that would be something.

I agree with you though.

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Routine treatment for autism is applied behavior analysis. While ABA has its origins a hundred years ago, the field as it currently exists is very new, having really only developed in the last 25 years

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The cases are on average more extreme now though.

My dad’s full side is ADHD/ASD. But the millennials/genZs have more severe cases than their uncles and great uncles did.

You can look at all the related disorders that are often comorbid like autoimmune, thyroid, MCAS, etc.

Look at conditions like Type1 diabetes which is growing ~3% per year! This isn’t just better diagnostics but explained by the stress diathesis model of disease interacting with our modern synthetic world.

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The cases are on average more extreme now though

This is based on your personal experience and not the evidence, which does not bear that out

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People also get a lot better at masking as they get older so younger people’s autism appears more severe than older people’s. Same is probably true for ADHD

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There was a recent Australian study that found a link between BPAs and autism, although I find it hard to believe there’s a 1-to-1 link, as autism was a thing before plastics were invented.

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Women with ADHD went so underdiagnosed that it’s considered an epidemic.

Women over the age of 35 were straight up not diagnosed because “girls don’t get ADHD.” So I do somewhat disagree with your premise.

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Under that age, too… Just turned 30 this year, still working my way around to doing research to find a provider to diagnose me. Which, with the nature of the condition that could take… a while, ha.

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I’m not sure the typical part is so typical after all. Given the size and complexity of our brains and the difference in DNA between us, I think more or less every family has their own ways of thinking and acting.

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Have you met these people IRL or online? Most of the people I’ve met online do fall into one of those two buckets, but almost nobody I’ve met IRL does.

I would assume this is selection bias before attributing it to some other thing. The kinds of circles you run in are going to heavily affect this.

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it’ll probably be the ‘forever chemicals’ (e.g. pfas) but yea, same deal.

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Society also had odd little release valves for neurodivergents which bizarrely enough could include parts of the military. Most of those are gone though in exchange at least we get treatment more readily than back then

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I had trouble understanding the standard deviations in the study so had chatgpt translate them into terms I could understand.

FYI:

  1. General Psychopathology Factor (g-factor):

    • The “602-million General Psychopathology factor points” refers to the cumulative impact of leaded gasoline exposure across the U.S. population on a mental health risk measure.
    • A 0.13 standard deviation increase means that, on average, the population’s liability to mental illness shifted slightly higher. While it’s hard to translate standard deviations into percentages directly, a 0.13 SD is considered a small effect, equivalent to about a 5.2% increase in risk when interpreted broadly.
  2. 151 Million Excess Mental Disorders:

    • This means that, due to lead exposure, there were 151 million additional cases of mental disorders in the U.S. population over time. This doesn’t mean 151 million people, as some individuals might have more than one disorder.
  3. Internalizing Symptoms:

    • Internalizing symptoms (like anxiety and depression) showed a 0.64 standard deviation increase. This is a medium-to-large effect size and can be roughly understood as a 24% increase in these symptoms across the population.
  4. AD/HD Symptoms:

    • Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder symptoms increased by 0.42 standard deviations, which is a moderate effect size. This corresponds to about a 16.5% increase in population-level AD/HD symptoms.
  5. Personality Traits (Neuroticism and Conscientiousness):

    • Neuroticism (tendency to experience negative emotions) increased by 0.14 standard deviations (a small effect, about a 5.6% increase).
    • Conscientiousness (self-discipline and organization) decreased by 0.20 standard deviations, which is a slightly larger small effect, about an 8% decrease.
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Is there any similar study done on hunters or people who eat meat from animals shot with lead bullets? Sometimes I wonder if lead from bullets make gun slingers and game meat eaters more retarded. I.e. MAGA folks basically.

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Lol painting with a pretty broad brush there, ain’cha?

Maybe research your hypothesis a bit before you wildly lump sustenance hunters, omnivores, and gun owners as being “[stupid] MAGA folks basically” by default because they’ve…(flips papers)…‘Handled ammunition before.’ lol

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I’m all about big brushes.

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Dipped in diarrhea…

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That wouldn’t be enough to cause real damage tbh.

Lead is toxic but you still need quite a bit of it and it’s absorbed wildly differently based on medium. That’s why the Romans could have lead pipes that were mostly not that dangerous due to their water being very hard while leaded gasoline used tetraethyl lead which is more potent and it’s inhaled rather than ingested.

Basically eating/drinking lead contaminated resources only give you like 1-10% of the actual poison while inhaling gives you the full 100%

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You’re correct. The risk is there, but it’s not high.

It has been known for centuries that lead is toxic to humans. Chronic exposure to lead, even at low levels, is associated with an elevated risk of cardiovascular and chronic kidney disease in adults and of impaired neurodevelopment and subsequent cognitive and behavioural development in the foetus and young children. Health agencies throughout the world have moved from assuming that there are tolerable levels of exposure to lead to a recognition that valid ‘no-effect’ thresholds cannot currently be defined. Formerly, the most important exposure pathways were occupational exposure, water from lead plumbing, paints, petrol additives and foods. Regulation of products and improved health and safety procedures at work have left dietary lead as the main remaining pathway of exposure in European countries. Ammunition-derived lead is now a significant cause of dietary lead exposure in groups of people who eat wild game meat frequently. These are mostly hunters, shoot employees and their families, but also some people who choose to eat game for ethical, health or other reasons, and their children. Extrapolation from surveys conducted in the UK and a review of studies of game consumption in other countries suggest that approximately 5 million people in the EU may be high-level consumers of lead-shot game meat and that tens of thousands of children in the EU may be consuming game contaminated with ammunition-derived lead frequently enough to cause significant effects on their cognitive development.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6675757/

Apparently, the human stomach dissolves small bullet fragments of metallic lead. That’s probably bad.

Experiments of solubility showed that lead fragments from bullets dissolve in chlo- ric acid of the same concentration as in the stomach of humans

https://www.livsmedelsverket.se/globalassets/publikationsdatabas/rapporter/2014/bly-i-viltkott---del-1-ammunitionsrester-och-kemisk-analys.pdf

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You don’t need lead.

Romans did develop lead toxicity but it was delayed because of the calcium salts in the hard water making a preventive layer. Which made leaching of the lead difficult.

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“need quite a bit of it”… to be poisoned. There’s context my dude.

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Lead from bullets in wild game are a non issue generally. It’s not staying in the animal long enough to leech out.

However, casting your own bullets from spent ones without proper safety equipment(happens WAY more than you’d think, especially amongst prepper types), handling them a lot and not washing your hands after, and generally being exposed to lead dust IS a problem.

I hate that I know all that, but being in an unfortunate proximity to those types of individuals has taught me a lot.

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Yes, that happens for sure. I did look into making my own ammunition, but it’s just not worth it. Even though ammunition is really expensive nowadays.

Also, I’ve only been using non-lead bullets for non-practice. But I wouldn’t dare tell the old guys. ;-)

Most older experienced hunters I know did cast their own practice ammo at some point in their life. Probably on their kitchen table without any safety equipment.

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Making your own is worthwhile for oddball loads and custom rounds for rifle, and some pistol ammo. Something like 9mm just isn’t worth the time anymore after the cost of primers and powder more than doubled. I’ve been casting and loading for a bit over 10 years. Definitely want to wash your hands well after you finish, and no eating or drinking while you work. A little lead exposure doesn’t worry me, all my years working in labs around concentrated chemicals and drug actives are much more likely to cause me issues as I get older.

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151 million? That number seems low to me…

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I think that’s about the amount of people who were are currently alive, that had been born by the time leaded gas was banned, maybe a little bit less.

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like how is that news? we see them all the time.

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