It’s neat watching lemmy’s centrists acting like they object to the idea of letting people go bankrupt and die, in that order, for insurance companies’ bottom lines.
Democrats killed the public option before a single Republican voted on the bill. Joe Lieberman was enough of a Democrat to run for VP, and you don’t get to disown him just because he did what you wanted but don’t want to admit wanting. And it’s not like he did what every centrist wanted by his lonesome, either. Ben Nelson was instrumental in killing the public option.
Biden promised that he was going to revisit the public option. Like so much of what he promised, it was always a fucking lie.
Telling the truth that their favorite political sports team actively hates them just much more subtly always gets them upset.
No matter how much you use their preferred sources, reasoned arguments, direct quotations, there’s always someone or something else to blame or they do illogical comebacks and then claim they won. If I wanted that, I’d be a Republican.
It’s genuinely bothersome that the defaulted “Not evil party” has a bunch of mindless zombies who will agree with everything like the “Actually Evil” party, but they have enough IQ points to reason their way why they love a party that doesn’t know they exist, and would gladly have them removed from the country if it meant a bit more money or 0.1% election gains.
If everyone just said fuck it and stopped paying their insurance, it would crash not just those companies, but domino into taking out the entire stock market.
Like, these companies are worth so much, and they invest in others and people invest in them. If their entire revenue stream is stopped at once that’s it.
Which makes it kind of a nuclear option, one I’ve intentionally not mentioned and haven’t seen anyone else either.
But the day may be coming
When someone stops paying their insurance, they stop getting healthcare. Most people don’t want that.
It’s kind of like saying “If everyone said fuck it and set their car on fire, then oil companies would suffer”. Yes, but they aren’t the only ones who would suffer.
When someone stops paying their insurance, they stop getting healthcare.
When people pay their insurance, they don’t get healthcare either.
No, they generally do get health care. In fact, most insured adults give their health insurance an overall rating of “excellent” or “good”, even if they are in poor health.
It’s true that there are horror stories, but those are not the majority.
Which is exactly why we’ll never have single payer: It would crash the economy and put millions out of work.
Downvote me all you want but it’s the exact reason Obama gave for not pushing single payer
I’m not suggesting you’re wrong, but isn’t there an obvious inefficiency here that reduces the standard of care provided?
Like if a national healthcare system doubles the number of administrators involved, there will be less money available for actual health stuff.
I’m not sure how that puts people out of work? Still need people to process the claims, they would just work for the government vs the company. Which for them would probably be better long term getting federal benefits and retirement.
For the same reason not paying our insurance will crash the economy: Big parts of it would go out of business.
I always figured a great deal of those people would move to government work. They already have the expertise.
The problem is that there are large parts of those companies that are replicated multiple times that would be made redundant.
Each company has an IT department, legal department, marketing department, and claims department, among a lot else. Most of those would be redundant or unnecessary in a single payer system.
Part of the reason single payer is more cost effective is eliminating administrative overhead. And “administrative overhead “ is code for jobs.
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Privatize ALL the health insurance companies.
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Reduce inefficiencies (fire all the parasites that don’t do actual work, like the CEO’s, etc)
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Continue operations as normal, but now with 100% guaranteed claim coverage.
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Over time, phase out the need for people to “deal with insurance” at all and make the whole thing transparent.
Surely people will have better access to health care once the system has “crashed”!
Well, the people who survive can rebuild it as they see fit, anyway.
I have no reason to think that the general public will suddenly be more organized than the surviving oligarchs.
Corporations mainly pay for health insurance. Imagine employee’s reactions being told they were getting cut off. Not going to happen.
If the employee cancels their plan, the corp ain’t going to keep paying.
I don’t know why someone would read my comment and imagine I meant corporations should cancel their employees insurance…
But I think that’s what happened here
Burn it to the ground Trump. Make the idiots in America suffer for their choice.
Well, if one is destined to die anyways, migjt as well die fighting back as hard, and as viciously as one can.
I’m no Trumper, and definitely don’t think Dr Oz is the right person for this job, but this is yet another case of words being taken out of context. Watch the video for yourself.
Dr. Oz told members of the National Governors’ Association (video below) that uninsured Americans “don’t have the right to health,” but should be given “a way of crawling back out of the abyss of darkness of fear over not having the health they need.” That, he suggested, could come via physicals in a “festival-like setting.”
Additional context doesn’t make him sound much more convincing.
He literally says “…because they don’t have a right to health…”. What are all of us missing that you’ve so handily figured out the context for?
I don’t care lol. The last screenshot is a movie reference. It wasn’t malicious in the slightest.
