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Many, if not most, of us are jealous of other countries, though. Really, this is only a hard truth for the MAGA crowd, and even that is (I think) largely the fault of the nationalist propaganda that’s been shoveled at us since we were kids.

As an American, I agree with you, though - the US is in no way a ‘strong democracy’, or much of a democracy at all. It may once have been, but it certainly hasn’t been the case for a long time.

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Back in 1780s the US constitution was an absolute marvel of progressiveness, but today, it is increadibly outdated and keeps the US political system back from making progress.

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We’re like the 40-year-old still wearing his school jacket and talking about winning state.

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Not most unfortunately, that I learned a couple months ago. Most think their squalor is somehow peak civilization

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No shit, what American thinks either are true?

America, fuck yeah!

Has been a joke for like 30 years now

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You haven’t met much of the rural population, have you?

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This. Conservatives have poor media literacy. They don’t understand that they’re the punchline in stuff like that. They miss the point of stuff like RoboCop and Starship Troopers and unironically like those movies for the action and don’t even recognize the social commentary. They watched Team America and guffawed into their 24 packs of light beer at every shallow joke without recognizing that the jokes were intentionally shallow to point out what an idiot would think is a good joke. It’s like the TV show in Idiocracy. The real joke is below the surface.

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Literally the opposite…

Where are you see conservatives talking about how great America has been under Bidnen?

Like, you put zero thinking into your comment, just like you assume the people you’re “dunking on” do.

You’re a different side of the same coin, that’s never meant opposites, you’re th same thing.

Just neither sid bis smart enough to figure it out, and both think only the other side is dumb

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The irony is rooted in reality, much like the stereotypes.

I’ve received quite a few hostile reactions when critiquing the US, including idiocy like “FU we have a bigger military” from blowhards.

There are, unfortunately, enough bad apples to spoil the bushel.

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Believe me there’s no shortage of people who know that were not the shining city on the hill, unfortunately we’re drowned out by pandering patriotic country music and gunfire from mass shootings.

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11 points

This clip from the Newsroom sums it up perfectly.

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I like the clip, but IMO they basically bailed out in the end by all the nonsense quoted from the ~3:25 mark on.

Jeff basically makes it sound like the US used to be incredibly self-aware, humble, kind, and well-administrated, but I think what most Americans don’t choose to understand is that since the very settling of the continent, it’s been a highly fraught, contentious situation, much of it characterised by greed, cruelty, violence, intolerance and self-righteousness.

Now yes, from what I understand of history, under FDR we more or less hit a peak of being a well-run, progressive country, on the level of many modern Euro countries more or less, but most of that was specifically in response to the utter disaster of the Great Depression and the need to adjust powerfully, swiftly and accurately. Meanwhile, IIRC during his presidency, there was in fact a right-wing movement intending to remove him by underhanded means.

So I like the hopefulness of the clip, but in the end I also find it pretty typical of Americans being largely unwilling to understand the hows and whys of the nation, going back to the early 1600’s.

Eh, sorry for the dang essay. :S

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Man I forgot how good that show was

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I mean, we generally know the first part. The second isn’t really a surprise either.

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Yeah, most of us in the U.S. don’t think this way. This is just republicans, and they aren’t really here on Lemmy.

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What? We have two right wing parties to choose from! Is that not enough? Should we make three right wing parties so you feel we are better represented?

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Then why do you sound like you are

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Because thats what you’ve been brainwashed to think the world wants, so thats what you hear

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lol

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206 points

Gasoline prices are heavily subsidized in the US, the gas price you complain about is cheap compared to other countries.

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The commodity price for gasoline right now looks to be about 2 USD per gallon. Retail gasoline in the USA is at least a dollar more due to taxes and markup.

Subsidies may play a role as well, but the taxes in some countries are extreme by American standards. My take on it is that a fuel tax is effectively neutral if it brings in enough revenue to pay for the road system.

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The fuel tax isn’t enough to cover the damage to the environment and quality of life, though. That’s why taxes are that high in many other places. Same way cigarettes are taxed to help discourage use and to help cover the increased healthcare costs it puts on everyone

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Fuel, and other car-related taxes (sometimes based on horsepower or engine displacement) in most countries in Europe were much higher than in the USA long before there was widespread concern about the environmental impact of cars.

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In NZ it’s roughly $2.50NZD per litre minimum, or $5.31USD per gallon. This is roughly 50% tax (it’s how we pay for roads, plus is subject to sales tax), so a bit over $2USD per gallon at the moment excluding tax.

Is it really $3 a gallon plus tax in the US right now?

I compare it to how I thought mobile phone calls in the US were super cheap, then found out people pay to receive calls, which was super weird to me. Where I live, my whole life it has never been the case that a normal residential connection would pay to receive a call, mobile or not.

Differences in how we do things make differences appear more than they are.

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It’s $3/gal total including taxes here in Illinois right now.

I was in California last week and it was $4.50/gam total

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Any price lower than that required to compensate for all the negative externalities of both driving and using fossil fuels to do it still counts as subsidized.

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A failure to set an excise tax on a product or service that offsets its externalities is not a subsidy. A lower tax rate than a competing product is arguably a subsidy.

I’m not aware of any modern societies that make a credible attempt to adjust the price of all or most goods and services to include their externalities. That sounds like a good idea in theory, but very difficult to implement in practice.

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Roads aren’t the only societal cost of cars.

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Fuel tax in the U.S. doesn’t even come close to paying for the road system. The federal fuel tax covers less than half of federal transportation spending. I don’t know about all of the states, but Wisconsin’s fuel tax covers only about 2/3 of the road spending. And, local streets get built with local property and income taxes.

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The fuel tax doesn’t even cover the damage your car does to the road.

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That’s probably not true, but hard to calculate.

The previous time I looked, which was a while ago, federal fuel tax revenue in the USA and federal highway expenditures were about equal. Since then, fuel tax revenue has fallen behind highway spending; the required increase to even it out would be modest in absolute terms - something like 15 cents per gallon. States each have their own taxes and budgets, of course.

As for the road damage each car causes, it increases (roughly) proportional to the fourth power of vehicle weight. Semi trucks and similar heavy commercial vehicles cause almost all of the traffic-induced road wear, and passenger cars contribute very little. It’s likely the fuel taxes paid for a passenger car (even a relatively large one) are several times its marginal impact on road maintenance.

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What state do you live in that the road system is funded adequately? I never hear someone comment positively about the general state of road conditions.

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Adequately is a difficult determination.

Is it adequate if there are state maintained dirt roads? In some states, the state or county chooses not to pave all of their roads.

Is it adequately funded if they have potholes? Due to weather conditions, some states are notorious for potholes.

Is it adequately funded if the road gets washed out or carried away by flooding? California gets mudslides that take out sections of roads, other states get sinkholes or hurricanes/tornados destroying their roads

How long can one of these issues plague a road before we consider them underfunded?

My opinion is that the US has too many roads. Most roads are maintained by county or municipalities, and are funded through infinite growth model.

When a developer creates a new subdivision, they pave the roads. Once done, they usually relinquish these roads to the county/city who are responsible for maintaining the roads.

Typically maintenance is low until they require replacing. The cities and counties don’t save money or plan well for replacing these roads and rely on new tax revenue to fund replacing them.

It builds a slowly ballooning road maintenance cost that someone will have to pay. I believe someone made a video about this very fact. I don’t have the link handy

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Florida, with the tourist money and gas taxes all our roads and highways are solid. The great weather year round means they can maintain and build roads all the time non stop.

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The fuel tax in other countries primarily exists to make people use less fuel in order to save the world from global warming.

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Your population is essentially being farmed by corporations.

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Nothing new to that. In 1886 case Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, the US Supreme Court declared that companies are people too. With the same rights — under the 14th amendment.

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But without the responsabilities I bet.

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And the option to be thrown in jail.

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The court has spoken : only the rights.

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Vasectomy safe. No wage slave renters coming from this guy.

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We can’t understand how millions can vote for a senile, convicted sexual predator as president…

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Dude half of us don’t understand it either.

It’s amazing what decades of defunding education will do when you mix it with a healthy dose of conservative talk show TV and social media algorithms.

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I dunno, i understand it pretty well. Lack of education, lead paint/gasoline, nationalism, fascism, racism, sexism, economic disparity, lack of healthcare to deal with neural degeneracy common in trump supporters, and finally lower borth rates among the more educated. America is a shithole, and has been for the past 40 years at least. Until we finally grow a spine and start “adjusting”, things are going to continue getting worse until were all dead and the olligarchs own everything. Then theyll move on to fucking the rest of the world (harder than they already are)

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Was with you to the last bit. What does it mean to “grow a spine and start ‘adjusting’”? Why is “adjusting” in quotes?

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I wonder how differently the last US election would have played out if Murdoch had died before campaign season

Going to have a big party when he finally goes and joins Reagan in hell

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8 points

Not very. His shitty propaganda machine is running itself by now.

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2 points

Less than half apparently…

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I guess it’s much less than half.

About 1/7 are less than voting age. Another 1/7 or so voted for the oompa loompa, and another 1/7 voted against. So actually, about half of the population just doesn’t vote because they’re a different type of idiot.

I do hate it here, for what it’s worth.

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Welcome to every election, not just presidential and not just a Republican or Democrat problem. Trump is disgusting but Seattles former mayor was way worse and didn’t get a peep nationwide.

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And Chicago, and New York, and…

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I’m just glad our poor congressmen can legally insider trade, think of the children!

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How is you not understanding that the fault of the Americans?

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The original question was not “what bad thing are Americans guilty of?”

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Hah! Let’s make a list of the countries where leadership of that ilk has never existed. (We’ll just ignore that most of them did not allow elections.) Won’t take much paper.

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Universal health care is better than whatever you have, for 99.9% of the people 99.9% of the time. And it always was. And always will be.

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We know. Even if some of us don’t want to admit it.

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This is absolutely true, but I do think that a lot of Americans are in fact ready to hear this. There is just a lot of money and power involved. And those with money and power don’t want to change it since it won’t improve their lives. There’s also religion involved. And many Republicans are religious and have been fooled into thinking that universal healthcare is all about allowing abortion.

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But, then who makes money ? It just doesn’t make sense !

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Yeah, anyone with a brain knows this… So, like, between 33-66% of the country.

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