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Yes, same for lemmy.world. If you want to post something niche and find a dead Lemmy.world community maybe consider first seeing if there’s one elsewhere to revive or even make yourself (assuming you’re registered somewhere else of course).

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Yeah, I have no problem with Lemmy.world (I mean, my main is on here), but spreading comms amongst at least a few instances is better for the overall health of the Fediverse.

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Helpful links:

Lemmyverse is a good place for finding communities your instance might not know about

Lemmy Federate is good for seeding communities to other instances.

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2 points

The more power (engagement) any particular community’s moderators get, the heavier-handed they get.

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.world is full of powermods lording over their little kingdoms too.

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See nobody says this kinda thing about sh.

More in line with your comment though I wish there was a way to specifically merge a few comms into a single feed just for viewing purposes. So if you wanted to you could merge two c/memes feeds from different instances. You’d either have to take the post button away from that view or make it prompt you to select one of them from a list though.

Would also be cool to be able to export / share merger lists so if you trust someone’s opinion on which subs from a topic are worth following or go well together or even just want to migrate your own list you can do that too.

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See nobody says this kinda thing about sh.

what does SH mean in this context?

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19 points

This is the biggest flaw and issue with the fediverse and Lemmy, it’s too damn fragmented with no good way to easily consolidate content from similar, or even identical, communities across instances. So people end up gravitating towards the same few that have the most content.

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17 points

While this is true, I think this post is more a reminder that .ml is garbage.

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True, but the same issue happens with reddit as well, for example gaming vs games vs truegaming. Over time those communities either found their niche (gaming sub became mostly memes, games sub became news and discussions and truegaming tried to become a more serious discussing sub). Actually there were way more gaming subs but unless they found their niche they died out. So people gravitating towards specific communities is a natural occurrence.

As for trying to automatically consolidate communities across instances, it sounds like a great idea on paper but seems like technical she moderation headache, because you won’t have a clear source of truth. Let’s say instance A and instance B both have a community called news. The same news article with the same title is posted on both communities on both instances by different users. Assuming we want to consolidate those posts into one, which instance post will be shown or in more technical terms, which instance becomes the source of truth for that post? Who makes that decision? What if there’s also instance C with the same community and the same post but that instance isn’t federated with instance A, how do we consolidate posts? Each community has its own moderators and moderation rules, who is allowed to moderate the post? What if the moderation rules contradict between instances and both instances want to apply the rules independently, are they supposed to split the post?

Maybe there is an elegant solution to all the problems but I don’t see there being one. I’m not against the idea, the problem is you want to solve its something I have given some thought and because of that I just don’t see it working out the way you’re imagining it.

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It would be a fundamental change, but communities should be global and not tied to instances. This would allow for the necessary centralization and reduce duplication. It could also be used to ensure communities survive a in instance going down scenario.

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. . . And how would moderation work?

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How would that even work? Imagine you spin up a brand new instance and create a new user and want to subscribe to a community. Because there is no one source of truth does the new instance simply not have the posts and comments that were made before the instance was created? If it’s supposed to get historic data as well from where is it getting from? Does it pick a random instance and pull all the posts and comments from that instance?

What if that instance is defederated from another instance with the same community and doesn’t contain the posts and comments from the defederated instance? Does your new instance have to go ask all the posts and comments from all the other instances to rebuild the community dataset on your instance? What if these two instances that are defederated both create the same post with the exact same content? Is that one or two posts?

What if user on one instance changes the name of the post but there’s some weird bug that allows only half the instances to register that change. Did that change actually happen or not? How do you solve the data inconsistencies if there’s no central source of truth?

What about moderation? There’s no central authority to define moderators or moderation policies. How do you verify who is actually a moderator and not someone trying to impersonate a moderator? What if different instances have different moderation policies, how would communities agree on a moderation policy if in essence both instances can claim authority over the community?

And these are still pretty high level questions. It would get more complex if we were to dig deeper into a possible solution. Even if it’s all technically solvable I think the solution would probably be so complex that it becomes unmaintainable which means it becomes unusable.

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I would recommend a button thar switches between local and all for a community. So people can look at it with their particular rule set in play if they wish.

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This would allow for the necessary centralization

The fediverse is a collection of community-owned, ad-free, decentralised, and privacy-centric social networks.

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3 points

Consolidation is still worse long term. There’s not that many competing communities.

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Yall can view All to right? I know it defaults to local, but you can press one button and see everything not defederated.

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That just gives you a jumbled mess of everything, which is IMO pretty useless. I want everything pertaining to a subject/interest in a single place, despite being scattered over multiple subs in multiple instances.

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I like the idea of having the ability to browse communities with the same name in one place.

Where you can set it to local to have it as it is now, and also being able to browse all of them at once.

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I see the point you are trying to make, but have you considered the criminal US actions in Syria and how the US has evil imperial powers proxy wars and love nazis and make wars happen?

In conclusion: Whatever it is that you said, US bad, therefore you wrong.

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I concede that despite not being alive when it was going on, I am just as guilty as everyone in the CIA that rigged elections and staged coups in South America. Everything I’ve come to know and understand in this lifetime is tainted by imperialism and is therefore invalid.

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Lol they banned discussion of jury nullification despite the fact that they have no reason to so their constant complaining about ml is moot

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Hmm, no. I have many posts and comments regarding jury nullification and Luigi in general even in .world communities and not a single has been removed. .world is based on Denmark iirc and per Denmark law, it’s illegal to discuss jury nullification in regards to future crime, but not crime already committed

So in Denmark, “Let’s do [crime] and then we can get people on our side to do jury nullification” is illegal, but “Person did [crime] but I think their actions were justified, so let’s do jury nullification” is not.

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world is based on Denmark iirc

Nope. I’m not sure which but I’m 100% certain that it’s based in either Canada or the US

per Denmark law, it’s illegal to discuss jury nullification in regards to future crime

No such law here either. Just like in the US, it might lead you to not being selected, but it’s not illegal.

Let’s do [crime] and then we can get people on our side to do jury nullification" is illegal

True, but it’s only the "let’s do crime that’s (conditionally) illegal. The mention of jury nullification doesn’t make it any more or less illegal to probably and knowingly advocate crime.

Anyway, since that kind of thing is EXTREMELY difficult to prove, it’s exceedingly rare that anyone gets punished for that particular crlme, making your point a moot one.

In conclusion: I feel completely safe in stating the truth that when the law and the systems it protects is unjust, the just break the law and others should try and help them avoid undue or excessive punishment in Denmark.

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Our Governing Laws

The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:

The Netherlands
Republic of Finland
Federal Republic of Germany

https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#our-governing-laws

Ig I was thinking about Finland or something, but it certainly isn’t Canada or the US, we all thought it was based in Canada or US lol

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Which is why their TOS prohibits all discussion relating to it lol

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No other instances need to make feud posts about .world because the natural behavior of the mods and users does a good enough job to drive people out.

No marketing campaign needed.

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22 points

Worse yet, they also naively censor the r-word so if an .ml user types r*tardant it comes out as removedant

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34 points

Ah yes, the classic Scunthorpe Problem

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I believe you mean clbuttic

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I very much like that, by all reliable reports, Scunthorpe is a real cunt of a town 😁

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One of my favourite football chants:

“You cannot spell Scunthorpe without cunt, You cannot spell Scunthorpe without cunt, You cannot spell Scunthorpe, You cannot spell Scunthorpe, You cannot spell Scunthorpe without cunt”

Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

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even Tom Scott filmed his video about the scunthrope problem in penistone because “there’s really no reason for anyone ever to go to scunthrope”.

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Also, it disregards comment language

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That’s shitty. It effectively removes the ability to communicate in anything but English.

E.g. some frequently used words that are non-slurs: fag (nordics, meaning class/course), retard (french train stations will display this when trains are delayed). Living in Norway, I have frequently been frustrated when MMOs wouldn’t let me talk to friends in my native language without censoring or even handing out bans.

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… Or slut, which means end.

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Exactly, I’ve even tested with setting my comment to French, exclusively speaking French within, and it’s still filtered.

And that pissed off a couple people who just couldn’t believe my motivation was anything other than desire to say slurs.

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I don’t know about the other Nordic countries, but here in Denmark, “fag” also means profession and is used as a colloquial term for many related groups and concepts.

On a slightly related but hilarious to me note, “bad” being Danish for “bath” and a company refusing to change with the times to accommodate an increasingly international marketplace has resulted in one of the most successful mid tier bathroom design companies in the country still being called “Bad Design” 😄

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The Spanish name Enrique can be diminutised to “Kike” (key-kay) but PlayStation network banned accounts with that name as the word in English is slur against Jews.

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