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The only viable solution when Nazis take control of government is violence. There is no reasoning with them, they are not logical.
The violence came from outside the country last time. That’s not happening this time.
This is correct, and also, Nazis don’t care about good faith argumentation. They’re explicitly anti-liberal (as in, liberty, freedom) and will only pretend to have these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction (“You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?”)
In this video of former white supremacists talking about how they left the ideology, one brings up that on their Nazi website, it was normal and common to argue for points they knew were garbage, like the Great Replacement theory. It’s about power and results, not liberalist idealism.
Violent methods usually aren’t the preferred way of dealing with Nazis (because it’s harder to get a mass movement to join in and support it, and because it’s riskier, legally, which makes it harder to sustain), but it works. It broke up the BUF in Britain, it’s kept the local turds scared to show their faces or reveal their true thoughts (don’t worry, they still usually get revealed by researchers anyway). Violence works. They know it and we know it. But when they’re the government, their violence is now legal.
these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction (“You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?”)
Nazis want to take that freedom
Of course, but it’s there now and they’re happy to abuse it. Call them hypocrites all you want, they couldn’t care less.
I am exercising my 2nd amendment rights, purchasing multiple firearms for multiple purposes and have signed up for classes at a local range. I’m with you, but acknowledge that this part of it feels like a lonely endeavor.
Saw him play recently in Alabama. They were selling this phrase on a shirt. Much to my surprise, that shirt was sold out by the time I went to pick it up. I was pleasantly shocked.
That’s how bands make most of their money in the streaming era and with ticketmaster raking in a big chunk of the ticket sales despite not providing much.
Reading that makes me very happy! I try tell people this whenever I can: there’s hope everywhere in America, no matter how red a state is now it can become blue one day. I was a Trump supporter myself and changed, other people can too! Think about all the people in Alabama who bought that shirt. If they banded together they could change Alabama for the better. Things won’t be instant but perhaps they get a better mayor elected, then a better state representative then send someone better to the House, then one day a better Senator. If we try and work together it can happen!
I wanna hear everyone’s fight music! I’ve been leaning on RTJ the last few days.
From old timey union fight songs (ex Workers of the world, Awaken) to protest rock. The Swedish band Nationalteatern have a great banger “Staten och Kapitalet” about that the state and the capital sit in the same boat, but it is not those who row and the whip does not lick their fat necks.
Maybe Im basic but Rise Against still hits. Sudden Urge goes hard. Also turns out they just released a new song within the last 24h that I need to listen to
I need to poke at their newer stuff. I kinda stopped paying attention to their new releases after Black Market and the one single they released a couple years after that, but there’s a few songs that hit that older style like The Eco Terrorist in Me that still go hard. I do respect that even as the sound left my general preferred punk sound, their lyrics remained as complex and literary as always (seriously how often are you looking up words from song lyrics in a dictionary?)
Propaghandi is a big one for me since they’re from my city, but also Dead Kennedys, NoFX, Stray From the Path, Jeff Rosenstock
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I have more 😈:
- John K. Samson/The Weakerthans
- Nick Shoulders
- Jesse Welles
- The Narcissist Cookbook
- Jason Isbell
- John Prine
- Woody Guthrie
- The Coup
- Larry and his Flask
- Jordan Smart
- Phil Ochs
- Watchhouse
- Warren Zevon
- Elvis Costello
- The Orphans
- Mischief Brew
- The Tillers
- Country Joe McDonald
- Barbara Dane
- They Might be Giants
- David Rovics
Sorry, music and finding it is a special interest.
Of that list, I know TMBG. Always a fav of mine, and I appreciate their attempts to educate and promote science. The sun is a miasma of incandescent plasma!
I love the fact that the song you quoted is a kind of retraction of another, less scientifically accurate song of theirs.
The sun is a mass of incandescent gas…
That whole proapgandhi thing about then regretting the lyrics to Halle salasse up you ass for talking shit about Rastafari was dumb. That religion is nuts.
Probably a lot of obvious choices on here, but I like to think of it as honoring the classics of the genre, and hopefully there are a few entries which are new to folks.
- Crime Mob - Knuck if You Buck (this goes at the start of the playlist, because, in my experience, playing this to a crowd of significant size will result in hands being thrown somewhere, it is a statistical inevitability)
- Godsmack - I Stand Alone
Pantera - WalkPhil Anselmo is a Nazi shit weasel and I was unaware.- Limp Bizkit - Rollin
- Rage Against the Machine - Fistful of Steel
- Lil Wayne ft Eminem- Drop the World
- CKY - 96 Quite Bitter Beings
- DMX - X Gon Give It To Ya
- Ludacris - Get Back
- KMFDM - Free Your Hate
- Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass
- Powerman 5000 - When Worlds Collide
- Static-X - Push It
- DJ Shadow ft Run the Jewels - Nobody Speak
- Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Red Right Hand
- Slipknot - People=Shit
- Slayer - Raining Blood
- Holy Fuck - Tom Tom
- Danzig - Mother
- Queens of the Stone Age - You Think I Ain’t Worth a Dollar, But I Feel Like A Millionaire (gotta find an edit without the intro tho)
- Mastodon - Blood and Thunder
- Mïngle Härder (formerly Möngöl Hörde) - Blistering Blue Barnacles
Two nautical themed metal/hardcore songs which get me ready to tussle isn’t a lot, but it is weird that it happened twice.
- Rise Against - State of the Union
- Coheed and Cambria - Key Entity Extraction V: Sentry the Defiant (with honorable mention to In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth:3 and Welcome Home)
- Chevelle - The Red
- Bullet For My Valentine - Waking the Demon
- Eve 6 - Think Twice
- Hole - Violet
- Dead Kennedys - Nazi Punks Fuck Off
- Smashing Pumpkins - Bullet With Butterfly Winds
That seems like enough brainstorming for now. Hope someone finds something they vibe with.
+1 for State of the Union and Sentry the Defiant. I also see your Waking the Demon and raise you one You want a Battle? (Here’s a War). I don’t know if we’re all against Anti-flag with Justin Sane being a trash human, but their catalogue is still good for this situation.
State of the Union has been one of my favorites to the point I honestly forgot it’s not a single
I almost don’t want to know, especially given what someone else shared with me about Pantera’s lead singer; but, given what I’m sure you’ve inferred from my selection, Anti-Flag was very much in my rotation for a couple of years. So, in the interest of doing the bare minimum necessary to claim I haven’t been ostriching the WHOLE time since the election, what revelations have come to light about this guy?
Definitely need to take Pantera off your Nazi fighting list.
Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Thank you for letting me know, I’ll edit that immediately. The worst part is that I’ve conditioned myself to cope with the news I’ve just received by listening to Pantera.
I’ve known about KMFDM for a long time but discovered Free Your Hate about this time in 2017, it’s too bad it’s that relevant again but at least we’ve got some good Nazi-punching music.
In all honesty, I have no idea how I came across that song. Despite some of the other selections that are also in that mold, industrial metal isn’t actually a genre I fuck with that much. I’m open to it, especially as I’ve continued to get comfortable in some of the less melodic subgenres, but the actual wave of popularity these bands were riding on missed me as a kid and ive come to it later.
I assume that it must have been included in a video game soundtrack of some kind? In fact, as I’ve been writing this comment, I think it may have been a part of the Brutal Legend soundtrack, and I had all of that stuff on my iPod at the time.
Song do go pretty hard tho, don’t it?
Yess, I’ve been trying to explore punk. Give me punk bands with lyrics I can understand, and who are vocally critical of conservatism and fascism please.
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A lot of RATM has floated to the top for me in the past few years. They are in heavy rotation now, and weren’t really for about fifteen years prior to that. The songs you don’t immediately think of when I say RATM have lyrics that are just as true and just as biting. If you like their sound but aren’t familiar with most of their work, this is a good time.
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Brother Ali - particularly songs like Uncle Sam Goddamn
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Dropkick Murphys, particularly most of the Album “This Machine Still Kills Fascists”
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Anti-Flag. I know they have proven to have done some shady things with regard to harassing some women at their shows, but I only just discovered them recently (and learned this about them afterwards.) Unfortunately I like their songs and lyrics. “Victory or Death” comes to mind immediately.
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Public Enemy - By the time I get to arizona, Black steel in the hour of chaos, fight the power (obv), fight the power 2020, really I don’t think they do a song that’s not good for the current state of affairs. Over and over in recent years I have concluded that the hip hop community saw what was and what was coming long before (decades before) the rest of us. I wonder why. 🤔
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Last couple Arrested Development albums. Good tracks off the top of my head “And This I know” “The Meek” “Amazing” “Fire” “Moses” Gotta listen to these, most aren’t going to leap out with the expected energy if you don’t pay attention to the lyrics all the way through. There are others. Their last three albums have a high percentage of gems IMO.
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Really old one by B. Dolan called “Which side are you on?” (loosely based aoround Guthrie song) which is congruent with a lot of today’s issues, though I think it was written primarily in support of this woman. Gonna link it here because I just listened to it again and damn does it slap.
A lot of what I listed above is unsurprisingly posted by me or others in !music@lemmy.world
UK Subs - Riot, Social Distortion - Don’t Drag Me Down, Restraining Order - Fight Back, The Casualties - 1312, Pennywise - Fuck Authority, Against All Authority - We Won’t Submit, Descendants - 'Merican (ugh, the formatting on mobile isn’t wonderful)
Further recommendations for your exploration: any band Ian MacKaye has played in. Even if you don’t care for his work, he has had an outsized impact on the development of American punk / hardcore (even if he’s resisted that attribution). Specific recommendations include:
- Minor Threat - self titled (straight up hc punk)
- Embrace - Building (early emo, when that just meant it was a hardcore song that touched on emotions other than anger)
- Fugazi - Waiting Room, or the 13 Songs album as a whole (post-hardcore, or “hardcore, but we’re not afraid to show off that we’ve learned some music theory”)
Okay, with MacKaye given his due, other “classic punk” recommendations include:
- Agent Orange - Bloodstains
- Bad Brains - I Against I
- Black Flag - Fix Me, TV Party, My War
- Circle Jerks - Wild in the Streets, Live Fast Die Young, World up My Ass
- Dead Kennedys - Nazi Punks Fuck Off, California Über Alles, Holiday in Cambodia
- Germs - Lexicon Devil
- The Clash - Straight to Hell, White Riot, Lost in the Supermarket, and many more.
- Operation Ivy - Sound System
- The Descendents - Suburban Home
- Social Distortion - Story of My Life, Mommy’s Little Monster
- Buzzcocks - Ever Fallen in Love (With Someone You Shouldn’t’ve)?
- Hüsker Dü - Don’t Wanna Know If You Are Lonely, Pink Turns to Blue
- The Replacements - Androgynous, Bastards of Young, Here Comes a Regular, Can’t Hardly Wait, Answering Machine, Alex Chilton
- Minutemen - History Lesson Part 2, Corona
Some slightly deeper cuts, more in the proto-emo space than political punk, but they share a lot of musical DNA and I think some of these tracks are underrated.
- Rites of Spring - For Want Of
- The Hated - Words Come Back
- Dag Nasty - Circles
- Gray Matter - Burn No Bridges
- Soulside - Pearl to Stone
- IGNITION - Previous
- Fire Party - Cake
- Samiam - Tired of Waiting
- Fuel - Cue to You
- Drive Like Jehu - Here Come the Rome Plows
That’s probably enough for now. I hope you find some stuff you like here.
Thank you very much!
other “classic punk” recommendations include:
I’m really just about the ideal age to have been an OG Punk fan, but at the time my attention was elsewhere, so I’m excited to crib from this list. 🙂
