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Saw him play recently in Alabama. They were selling this phrase on a shirt. Much to my surprise, that shirt was sold out by the time I went to pick it up. I was pleasantly shocked.

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Saw someone wearing that shirt in a shopping mall in the UK!

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$50 each no doubt

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That’s how bands make most of their money in the streaming era and with ticketmaster raking in a big chunk of the ticket sales despite not providing much.

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They could just play shows at venues not owned by Ticketmaster

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Reading that makes me very happy! I try tell people this whenever I can: there’s hope everywhere in America, no matter how red a state is now it can become blue one day. I was a Trump supporter myself and changed, other people can too! Think about all the people in Alabama who bought that shirt. If they banded together they could change Alabama for the better. Things won’t be instant but perhaps they get a better mayor elected, then a better state representative then send someone better to the House, then one day a better Senator. If we try and work together it can happen!

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Just checked their online merch page and the shirt isn’t there. But third-party shirt printers are easy to find and cost not much. Everyone who can should buy one and wear it proudly.

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The only viable solution when Nazis take control of government is violence. There is no reasoning with them, they are not logical.

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This is correct, and also, Nazis don’t care about good faith argumentation. They’re explicitly anti-liberal (as in, liberty, freedom) and will only pretend to have these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction (“You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?”)

In this video of former white supremacists talking about how they left the ideology, one brings up that on their Nazi website, it was normal and common to argue for points they knew were garbage, like the Great Replacement theory. It’s about power and results, not liberalist idealism.

Violent methods usually aren’t the preferred way of dealing with Nazis (because it’s harder to get a mass movement to join in and support it, and because it’s riskier, legally, which makes it harder to sustain), but it works. It broke up the BUF in Britain, it’s kept the local turds scared to show their faces or reveal their true thoughts (don’t worry, they still usually get revealed by researchers anyway). Violence works. They know it and we know it. But when they’re the government, their violence is now legal.

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these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction (“You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?”)

Nazis want to take that freedom

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Of course, but it’s there now and they’re happy to abuse it. Call them hypocrites all you want, they couldn’t care less.

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26 points

History has proven this.

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The violence came from outside the country last time. That’s not happening this time.

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Except maybe the troll you are replying to wants violence. 🤷

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Maybe. It will take more than just a desire for violence to overcome the most powerful military the world has ever seen.

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2 points

Yeah? You and what army? Seriously tho I’m looking to join.

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I am exercising my 2nd amendment rights, purchasing multiple firearms for multiple purposes and have signed up for classes at a local range. I’m with you, but acknowledge that this part of it feels like a lonely endeavor.

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Wish the UK’s right to defend itself wasn’t banned in 1997.

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Nazis deserve exactly as much mercy and tolerance as they give to others.

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There, the solution!

Repay everyone exactly as much tolerance as they give to you

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No, this wording is bad.

I get a lot of tolerance from Nazis, because I’m a big, white, blue eyed, german dude. And I do not intend to give that back, I’ll give them exactly as much tolerance as they give to my ethnic or sexual minority brothers and sisters.

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5 points

Fair enough!

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Violence against Nazis isnt the answer, its a question and the answer is always yes.

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Paradox of tolerance.

The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.

In a tolerant society we must be intolerant of intolerance.

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Edit - My mistake, I somehow was blind to the first in-.

 

In a tolerant society we must be intolerant of intolerance.

No we musn’t. The intolerant have broken the social contract and are no longer extended that latitude.

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Screw the paradox. Tolerance is a social contract. Intolerant people aren’t covered by the contract, therefore intolerance of intolerance isn’t hypocritical or paradoxical.

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You are agreeing. They said we must be INtolerant of intolerance.

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You are correct, I misread what they wrote despite quoting it. Whoops. 🙂

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My only disagreement with Popper is hes too lenient in what counts as intolerant

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