It’s been nice to see ordinary Americans open up to life in China but everyone is acting blind to their censorship. Makes me thankful for the fediverse and being able to self host my own instance.
This is it. Self hosting, federation, not for profit is the way. We need an internet that is made by just regular people for no better reason than it’s fun. Not just social media either. We need an entire open internet, free and clear of all ulterior motives (or more likely still having bad actors mixed in, but at least they’re not pulling any strings at the upper levels).
I don’t know how possible that is, but I know we need it.
Fully agree! Thanks for putting my thought into much better words.
The only issue I see now is how to surpass bad mods and admins? The balance between filtering off topic or bad content versus anything goes but then nazis come out seems to be a challenge plus power tripping.
I just don’t understand why it’s a problem that the nazis come out. Would we not rather they utter their opinions in the open so they can be refuted? That way people can also just ignore that user if they don’t like viewing what he has to say.
It’s not like they don’t exist just because we ban them here… They’ll go somewhere to discuss where only other people who agree with them is allowed to be.
Unless we’re talking direct threats or doxing I’m always an advocate for free speech online.
I used to think this way, but no. Nazis should be shunned and banned and feel unwelcome everywhere. No one should ever think their rhetoric is harmless or ignorable. Those who tolerate Nazis enable them.
And yeah, folks can wring their hands about slippery slopes and where we draw lines, but the beauty of federation is that if someone is too loose or too draconian, we can go somewhere with more agreeable policies. We can decide as a society where the line is drawn, and it’ll be fuzzy but as speech gets closer to Naziism, it will be rejected more and more places, as it should be.
Would we not rather they utter their opinions in the open so they can be refuted?
It’s far easier to lie than it is to correct a lie. When the Nazis come out into the open they spew a stream of lies in minutes that can take months to refute, leaving the field to the lies to spread and fester.
And that’s even assuming you think refutation works at all. (Protip: it works so rarely that you can treat instances where it did as statistical aberration.)
I’ve noticed a very pro-China shift on Lemmy since Trump became president. Yeah, Trump is awful, but it’s not like that makes China or Russia better. It makes them all bad.
Pro or anti X nation state rhetoric is rarely helpful. I fully agree that blind support of another country just because it’s not the US is just silly. I don’t know what you mean by all bad. How’re you labeling all three of those countries?
Have you been to China? The thing that is affecting so many US users on xiaohongshu is waking up to how many aspects of Chinese daily life and society are actually better than the supposed best country in the world. This has been my experience on my most recent of many times in China. It shocking how many issues and stressors exist in America that don’t in China.
I don’t know what you mean by all bad. How’re you labeling all three of those countries?
Do you have your head under a rock? Over the past few years China has been putting the Uighur people in concentration camps while Russia has been invading and genociding Ukrainians.
The westerner that has never been to China and doesn’t speak a word of mandarin is gonna lecture us on China.
No, China hasn’t. There has been no evidence.
We know how much information should get out of a state with complete control over the flow of information, via Palestine and Ukraine’s respective genocides. Instead of any of that, we have vague, contradictory accusations from Islamic extremists. The uighur people control Xinjiang, and thanks to investment it’s flourishing.
China killed Islamic extremism via education and improving material conditions; that’s not acceptable to the West, so they made up a story.
No, because I don’t fall for the propaganda. I’ve met one of the NYT reporters on that and their sources were three Ugyhurs and trust me. I’m guessing you don’t speak Chinese and have zero knowledge of it besides MSN?
It shocking how many issues and stressors exist in America that don’t in China.
Youth unemployment, falling birth rates, spotty healthcare infrastructure, bad working conditions
Which ones does China not have?
I think to each their own. My wife spent two weeks in China for work, and she’s still traumatized from it.
You definitely need to tell us what happened with your wife. Can’t just write something like that and leave it hanging!
I think to each their own. My wife spent two weeks in China for work, and she’s still traumatized from it.
What
Edit: oh his wife just can’t handle new experiences.
China is pretty sensitive about depictions of Mao, so it doesn’t surprise me.
That app doesn’t like gambling, politics, or sexually explicit material.
Your post probably fell under politics.
Posting anything about any Chinese leader is verboten.
Weird. Weird how I post about Chinese leadership quite often on Weibo and haven’t been canned.
Here’s a thought: maybe it’s how you go about it that counts?
Criticism of Mao in particular is perfectly cromulent here. The Party itself criticizes Mao, especially for the Cultural Revolution, with some fairly harsh language.
But if you don’t know how to do it or when, then … ah … yeah, you’re going to get people pissed off at you.
