U.S. President Donald Trump says Canadians would have “much better” health coverage if Canada became the 51st state.
He made the remarks during a briefing in North Carolina, where he toured areas struck by Hurricane Helene on Friday.
“I would love to see Canada be the 51st state,” he said. “The Canadian citizens, if that happened, would get a very big tax cut – a tremendous tax cut – because they are very highly taxed.”
“They’d have much better health coverage. I think the people of Canada would like it,” said the president.
No thank you.
My wife went to the ER after hurting her foot, it was an hour wait and the only cost was $40 for a set of crutches.
I like our system.
In the US you’d have a 4 to 6 hour wait, $3000 to hospital for using the ER, $2000 for the doctor, and if there were scans and such a $$$$$ for using them! Oh also they will take months to bill you but also send it to debt collectors if you don’t pay it for a month so then all of your personal data is sold and you get harassed to pay your debt!
Here’s a fun one my wife got:
She picked an in network doctor for her treatment so insurance would cover it. She got a large bill anyway because the office that the doctor worked in was out of network.
It’s literally impossible to get insurance coverage. You can pick the doctor or building (I’ve read anesthesiologists can be separate too.) But you are going to pay a bill that insurance won’t cover.
Agreed. My fiancee had some pregnancy complications that resulted in numerous visits to the ER, including one that then required ambulance transfer to a bigger hospital an hour away and a 2 week stay there. One of the weeks she had to share a room and I couldn’t stay overnight, but I was set up with a social worker who arranged a paid for hotel room for me a couple minutes away. Overall, I ended up paying $10 for parking at the big hospital (the social worker gave me a pass after I paid the first day), and maybe $20-30 on some really good Nanaimo bars from the lobby coffee shop. The family we shared the room with was in a similar situation, but since they lived further away they were flown in by air ambulance from their hospital, also at no cost.
It was a sprain just before Christmas so they gave us crutches she needed for a week, she’s at probably 80% better now.
We can go on evening walks again, so it seems to be healing well.
Ah good to hear she’s on the mend. Well just to note for any future injuries, boots are way better. I used crutches for a day before adding the boot so I could go to work and stuff. They didn’t even give me the option initially and I’m not sure why. It was far more comfortable having it on and I never wanted to take it off!
A lot of Canadians have to wait exorbitant amounts of time to see a doctor, it’s not always fast and effective service.
Oh you got cancer? That specialist can see you in 6 months when you’re already dead.
Don’t get me wrong free healthcare is great in that it’s free, but that doesn’t always guarantee it’s good or fast.
That’s not accurate, that is repeating the line private places want you to say about provincial or national care.
I had cancer. When test came back positive, they got me in the next week for surgery, then to the center to do the paperwork and scans and predental work. They then needed another week or two to have 3d scans used to define the radition paths for the machine, and set up hospital visits and chemo. I was done treatment in 2 months.
The six month wait seems like BS unless you have a source.
It was 4 months wait for myself but I have seen similar threads for people that had to wait 6.
Dude Americans pay more out of pocket for healthcare than any other country and get worse results.
Like, I have no idea what state you reside in but I have had months long wait times to see docs in the USA. Your made up example can be applied to the USA just the same except we’re just paying more money for the privilege.
Our system is absolutely fucked.
Tired of this lie, tbh.
The waits are probably, on average, a little longer, sure. The “someone is waiting an absurd amount of time with an obvious visible problem and they’ve died while waiting” is pure privatization propaganda fueled by people going to the hospital for things like prescription refills and being shocked when they’re pushed to the bottom of the list over and over again while people come in with genuine, time sensitive problems.
I have a friend like this, goes to hospital and upset wait time for pulled muscle or rib bruising is ridiculous hours. I say make a doc or clinic appointment, but no, doesn’t want to wait a week for doc or half a day at walk in clinic… 2 weeks later still complaining. Well you could have been seen already. Lol
I had to wait 4 months to see a doctor for my uLMS, and I personally know of several others now with worse conditions that also had to wait months. If you search around online you will also find many more similar occurrences. Same for ER visits taking literally all day long.
In general I don’t think it is a lie, this IS happening.
How much it goes on, or how often it might be a made up occurrence, and how often that needs to happen for you to consider it a “lie”, might be a separate matter.
6 months? You think 6 months to see an oncologist is rare in the US?
Are you including the number of people who don’t seek any care until they end up in the ER with acute symptoms because they couldn’t go in to get regular screening or preventive care?
And before you say that should be covered by the ACA you are still ignoring that hospitals are open 9-5 and the people who can’t make it to the hospital are working the job they need for health insurance during those same hours, provided they have transportation and can take off more than an hour to wait for the primary care to visit them.
Not to mention, if the cancer hasn’t progressed to stage 3 or 4 by that point, the health insurance won’t likely be paying for the most effective treatment, they’ll be paying for the treatment “they have on record for effective treatment”.
And who’s to say you can even get into an oncologist familiar with your cancer? Then may feel more comfortable referring you to a John Hopkins, or Mayo Clinic, or one in California. So now you have to pay for transportation and living expenses in another state while you get treatment and don’t work. Some insurances might cover this. Most won’t. Some companies will foot the bill. Most will laugh at you.
6 months? It’s a 5 month wait to get a new primary care provider here. Fuck your 6 month complaint.
Would you rather reach in and pick an item from
Sack 1, which contains [rusty nails, angry scorpions, razor blades, one fun sized candy bar]
Sack 2, which contains [various candy bars, one rusty nail]
The US is sack 1 in this metaphor. People should improve the canadian system, but there’s no reasonable take that they’re at all similar
A lot of Canadians have to wait exorbitant amounts of time to see a doctor
As always, you hear more about the failures than the successes where everything works the way it is expected to.
Nobody would think of writing a headline saying “everything worked normally today”.
Horseshit.
Triage works well here once it kicks in. It can take a long time to see a specialist, but if you have a good GP who is concerned about life-threatening disease, the system goes into very high speed.
Chronic disease is another issue, but that is more a problem with philosophy than implementation.
Funny, because I know plenty of people in Ohio who have gone to Canada specifically for better and more affordable medical treatment.
To be fair, I know people from Ontario who had to travel to Buffalo for diagnostics, because they had to wait for over 9 months in Ontario, and the cost of few thousand dollars was not that great to them.
and the cost of few thousand dollars was not that great to them.
How wonderful for them…
If you have 3 months to live and not getting medical help needed in Canada, money becomes secondary concern https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/consumer-alert/article/i-had-3-months-to-live-if-i-didnt-do-this-ontario-man-travels-to-united-states-and-pays-600000-for-life-changing-surgery/
He’s preying on some real issues with our system, such as the chronic lack of primary preventative care for the majority of the population in places like Montreal. When it takes months to see a doctor who rushes you, the private options prevalent in the US start sounding attractive.
So let’s make sure this fool has no leg to stand on by properly funding our public healthcare system, treating our healthcare workers right, and by reducing the barriers to the recognition of foreign healthcare workers’ credentials.
That just sounds exactly like the US system though but you have to pay for it. My girlfriend has been dealing with medical stuff lately and was being bounced around between places with a month or more waiting time between each one. And whenever something came up that she would want to ask her primary care provider about it would be a few months for an appointment. The US system as far as I can tell doesn’t really have much better wait times yet people still act like it’s better here when my experience is it very much isn’t.
Isn’t private healthcare still an option? Not that it should be the case, but I’d much rather pay a thousand a month (which is cheap) for my family to have prompt access to primary care and virtually nothing (?) for hospital trips, specialist etc.
I’m not sure how it works in places with UHC, and my job pays 100% of my insurance now, but a few years ago I was paying $1200 a month where my employer split the cost and still had to pay $300 for every doctor visit for me and about $50 for my son. Anytime any of us were in the hospital we had to ask at every step how much something would cost because we’ve ended up with a few hospital bills totaling up to crippling debt that we’ll never get out of.
Even with my insurance costing me nothing now I still pay ~$200 for every doctor visit because we never hit out deductible of ~$6000 which keeps getting raised every few months. We definitely could hit that deductable but we’d still end up owing money for every little thing. I avoid going to the doctors because we can’t afford it. We have to save for any tests/procedures at this point, I’ve been putting off an echo and stress test that I’m supposed to get every 6 months for about a year and a half, my heart medication just doubled in price, an ultrasound for my pregnant wife cost us $800 last month and for some reason it didn’t apply towards our deductible.
Paying 1k$ a month for doctors is completely ridiculous in Canada. I’m comfortable right now but that would completely break my budget.
It is an option I guess for the rich rich, but for the vast majority that’s just not a thing that we’d consider “reasonable”, much less “cheap”.
Employer health insurance covers dental, drugs, eyes though. So people that don’t have it struggle and that’s not nothing. Which is why the government just passed some limited coverage but it’s not universal as it should be.
So you see: completely different mindset.
What is with the huge amount of idiots who would rather pay hundreds or thousands a month in insurance and healthcare costs just to save a couple hundred a year in taxes? Its actually unbelievably dumb.
Yank here. So, we don’t have broad public healthcare because it keeps middle class people terrified of losing their white collar jobs. It also appeals to American racism, putting barriers up for people of color and the working poor to get equal treatment. Many Americans would happily screw themselves over to ensure someone else (they hate) has it worse.
We have hours long lines at private urgent care, and seeing a general practice doc takes 3 to 6 months of wait time (if you’re lucky). Also, I’m queer. If The U.S. did have broad public healthcare, it would instantly be weaponized against all LGBTQ+ folks.
Tldl, in the States it’s mostly about keeping the middle class terrified of losing their jobs, and ensuring there are working-poor people to sneer at.
Yeah i get why the lobbyists want it. I dont get why the answer from so many citizens seems to be “i dont want my taxes to go up”. Like bro youre paying ten times the amount now that you would in any tax increase.
A lot lf Americans just don’t think about it that way. There’s a multitude of reasons based more on sentiment and group social pressure than the obvious math.
Many Americans have a great deal of personal optimism to the tune of “well I’m not sick right now”. It’s a gamble that everyone loses, but in the short term you keep more money. It speaks to the belief that personal heath is a moral virtue (or failing), therefore a moral person shouldn’t have to pay for immoral people’s “bad choices”. And, if someone didn’t save enough money to invest in their own health, that’s also a moral failure.
There’s also terror of appearing too feminine. Care, either receiving it, or giving it to others, is feminine coded for a lot of Americans. So, paying into (and participating in) a broad public healthcare system becomes a crisis of masculine self (and group) identity. sarcasm You wouldn’t want people to think you’re a sissy right? sarcasm
Er, sorry for the wall of text.
Whoever is whispering dumb shit in Trump’s ear needs to go away.
