Donald Trump has suggested large numbers of Palestinians should leave Gaza to “just clean out” the whole strip, after ordering the US military to restart shipments of 2,000lb bombs to Israel.
The US president said he wanted Gaza residents to move to neighbouring nations, and that they could be displaced “temporarily or could be long-term”, after a phone call with Jordan’s King Abdullah on Saturday.
“I said to him: I’d love you to take on more because I’m looking at the whole Gaza Strip right now and it’s a mess, it’s a real mess. I’d like him to take people,” Trump said, when asked about the call.
He also suggested Egypt as a destination for Gaza residents, and said he would raise the issue with President Abdel Fatah al-Sisi on Sunday.
And that’s why Kamala’s stance on Palestine never bothered me.
I knew that as bad as it was, Trump would be worse.
I was right.
Gaza was fucked under either presidential option and we all knew that. Now we also get to enjoy getting fucked by Trump at home and hand the right the country. Other countries get to get bullied like Canada, Colombia, Greenland, Panama, and who knows who else and to what insane degree. Plus, Gaza will get to deal with a president that doesn’t bend to protest pressures at all and gives 0 fucks about humanitarian issues. We sure showed Biden for being an AIPAC puppet like the rest of the government. This is why the right has taken our government over. We constantly in fight and ignore realities for ideological purity while the right unites under the broad strokes of their agenda. When no option has the desired outcome, sometimes you have to pick the lesser evil.
Nope, under the Democrats, there are many Representatives who would listen and put pressure on a Dem president to do the right thing. Thanks to people with a smooth brain who think BOTH SIDES SAME, they are going to find out what everyone else already knew… they were never the same.
Indeed, this is what I keep telling people.
There’s no happy-feel-good everyone walks away with their faerie tale sitcom ending.
The world situation is fucked, when your options are crawl through broken glass or swim across a river of piss, well it might not smell good, but at least I’m a strong swimmer and urine is allegedly sterile.
Okay I double checked, urine isn’t sterile, but it has low amounts of bacteria and isn’t going to lead to me bleeding out or needing immediate medical attention.
If Harris was worried about it, why didn’t she change course on the campaign trail?
Why did she let Trump take office?
Because most people weren’t arguing about Gaza and it wouldn’t have changed the outcome.
With the benefit of hindsight, the only way she could have won would have been to address the high cost of living. “The economy” was the highest ranked issue and people voted for the guy who lied about eggs.
Why did she let Trump take office?
She didn’t let Trump take office. You and everyone who didn’t vote for Democrats or worked around the clock to try to depress voter turnout for Democrats let Trump take office.
Unfortunately, some people are more willing to fight Israel to the last Palestinian than seek realistic solutions.
Uh, it absolutely does, and the fact that you called someone an idiot while spewing such warped logic is hilarious.
I’m on the side that hands out awful tasting licorice candy. You are on the side that punches people in the face.
If you can’t understand logic this simple, no wonder this country is screwed.
You worded that poorly. You’re trying to say two sides performing evil acts are both evil, even if one side is more evil than the other.
Right?
Except it is a fact that there ARE degrees of “evil”, where one side has the ability to listen to reason while the other will escalate the worst outcome.
Reeeeeeeeeally hard to stop my self from screaming “I fucking told you so” to all the idiots who insisted Trump would be better for the situation right now
This is literally the exact thing I’ve been trying to point out for months
Nobody I know thought Trump would be better for Gaza. Just that Genocide is the worst situation and it was already being ignored.
But now we get more death! Immigrants, trans people, FEMA, it’s like a Gatcha game of who else gets to suffer. We really taught them a lesson
The dem leadership knew the whole time exactly how to win the election but werent willing to pay the price in thwarting AIPAC to secure that win. All they had to do was recognize the genocide a few days before the election and follow existing laws on it, and acknowledge that many Americans are struggling. They chose to roll the dice instead.
If you’re willing to let one group be subject to genocide, then all groups are eligible. You know how it goes, “first they came for[…]”
Maybe geopolitics is more complicated than the anti-Kamala protest voters have been lead to believe…
It certainly is. Unfortunately for all of us, it’s more complicated than the Dems and “lesser of two evil” voters (of which I was one) have been lead to believe as well.
Or they would have… you know… Won.
But hey, if we want to learn the wrong lesson from this again, far be it from me to stop us.
If your “complicated” world view means justifying genocide then it’s just a justification of murder.
A lot of people here on lemmy believe fiercely that both sides were equally bad about it, and it is exactly that sentiment that led to 6.6 Million former DNC voters staying home while a fascist took power.
In the swing states the economy did actually poll higher among people who stayed home. Gaza polled highest nationwide but ultimately would not matter until Michigan. She lost because she let corporate advisors run 140+ different messages instead of focusing on the few issues that people cared about.
What pisses me off is even if they WERE equally bad about it, trump is clearly worse on a dozen other extremely important issues. So why throw away all of that for a single issue? If “genocide” is the thing, what about caring about Ukrainians? Central and South Americans and LGBT in the US? Poor, disabled people and veterans? Wildlife? Children who live near industry? Why throw all those people under the bus while getting someone who is the same or worse about Palestine? It makes no sense.
Which could’ve been avoided if Harris had taken a stronger stance on Gaza.
Yeah, no what led to 13 million (not 6 million) former DNC voters staying home was:
- Being lied to & gaslit about Biden’s condition.
- Kamala hiding from interviews where she might get asked tough questions.
- Kamala sending out Mark Cuban to tell everyone how much she loved big corporations.
- Kamala claiming she couldn’t think of anything she’d do different than Biden, other than having a Republican in her cabinet… while parading around with Liz Cheney & praising Dick Cheney.
- Spending 2 billion on her campaign, giving a lot of it to right-wing networks for advertising despite them overwhelmingly supporting Trump & to people like Oprah & Al Sharpton to pretend that they were giving fair interviews.
- Attacking other progressive candidates, like when she endorsed & paid for the ads to go after Jill Stein.
Genocide is the worst situation
Very obviously a false dichotomy.
Do you think Palestinians wanted Trump to win?
Trump is worse for saying the quiet part out loud, but the actions by all administrations since the establishment of israel show that this plan by israel is being followed regardless of what the president says out loud.
Because trump is more vocal, resistance and people could better predict what he could do and try to organize and find way to stop him even partially
I don’t think that matters. Israeli officials themselves have said their plans out loud. It’s already well known that they’re going for a full ethnic cleansing which includes genocide and mass relocation because they want all of Palestine and more (which they refer to as “Greater Israel”). There have been some actions taken, including by the ICC (which Biden wrote off as “outrageous”) and all those student protests which were forcibly silenced. Ultimately we need someone with power to do something. Trump certainly won’t do anything to stop it, in fact he openly encourages it. Sadly democrats won’t do anything either, even if they’re more silent on the subject or let a small handful of democrats speak out a bit (but not too much, or they get censured).
The US is the biggest power behind Israel and no one dares stand up to the US. If both of the biggest parties (and only ones that will ever get any power) agree to not do anything to stop it, then it will just continue getting worse and worse.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-palestinians-concept-paper-1.7015576
The plan was always their. They would get away with it even if it was biden or harris would won
What would you make think biden or harris would have blocked such a plan?
Saying, “I told you so” has zero effect. This people didn’t reason themselves into their positions and will refuse any reason that would cause them to change their minds.
It was clear months ago these were smart people. Their utter lack of doubt continues to be the reddest of flags.
Good point; The message may be undercut by the grammar. Effect is a noun/adjective. Affect is a verb/adverb.
Disregard if you were actually trying to state that the concept of the number zero goes out and affects people in some unspecified way whenever that statement is spoken.
He secured a ceasefire, which is more than Biden could do. But ultimately, is he better? I don’t think so. I’m not sure he’s any worse, either. I wish we had better options.
He did not secure a ceasefire.
Note that the ceasefire is literally identical to the one the US Department of State proposed the better part of a year ago. The ceasefire was enacted now, and not before, for reasons of political timing, nothing more. This falls in the same category as Nixon when when he pulled a very similar ploy with Vietnam.
He did not secure a ceasefire.
The ceasefire was enacted now, and not before, for reasons of political timing, nothing more.
Wait…so, who’s responsible for the ceasefire? If it was Biden, why did he choose to do it after Trump got elected? What kind of “political timing” is that?
He’s certainly worse, Biden didn’t piss off Canada and Mexico immediately.
I can’t really speak on internal US policies, i.e. whether Biden’s inaction or Trump’s wild actions are overall worse for the nation but internationally, Trump is far far far worse.
It’s not even a competition.
Few people argued for Trump being better. Biden bombed Gaza to rubble. Trump comes in and does the paperwork. Biden is not absolved.
I must have imagined those American bombs dropped by American made planes being sent by Biden.
He asked Netanyahu nicely to not carpet bomb Gaza with them. That absolves him of it all.
When I was younger I played Skyrim, it seemed very unrealistic that NPCs though the wind shot them with an arrow, but seeing you I think they had quite good AI actually
Wonderful. Nothing like the US backing state sponsored terrorism. Not that it’s anything new…
Protest voters looking more and more stupid by the day. And will continue to do so every day for the next 4 years minimum.
I get the sentiment of these posts. Gaza had no chance. But now our LGBTQ and POC homies are in real danger and that’s what really pisses me off. It’s now going to get dangerous to even protest against the Gaza genocide.
Maybe the better plan was a massive protest by all Democrats to stop a live on tv genocide instead of passing congress to send more aid to Israel?
When democrat abandon arab voters why anyone expect them to be there when the other group getting attack?
“Clean out”, what a wording. So they no longer have any problem saying they support genocide.
