But it’s more profitable to keep people miserable and medicate them!
“DEEP STATE MANUFACTURED COVID IN A LAB TO SELL MORE VACCINES! REEEEE”
That you? 🤨
Cuz that’s what you sound like.
There’s a difference between conspiracy theories and having an analysis of incentives and structures.
There doesn’t need to be a conspiracy for profit seeking corporations to decide not to invest their money into something they think won’t return as much profit.
As for everything else staying shitty, why would corporations spend money on lobbying and campaign contributions if they didn’t expect it to make them a profit? Obviously those corporations want less taxes, less regulations that might cost them money to comply with, and the more of the economy that is privatized, the more opportunities capitalists have for making more profits.
That’s not a conspiracy theory, that’s a basic understanding of economics and political economy plus some history.
Oh no, a solution that helps me to not be a blob, laying in my bed, womdering if should i even get up. The horrors of therapy actually helping me to get shit done.
God, i hate anti-therapy or anti-meds posting.
I mean, I’m anti-meds for treating exogenic issues when something can be done for those exogenic issues.
If I’m sitting at home with the heater on and I start feeling warm and flushed, I wouldn’t take an ibuprofen (as an anti-pyretic) to bring my temperature down, I’ll turn the heater off.
It’s the same for mental health, if the sole source of the stress/sorrow is external, medication is nothing more than a bandaid, which is better than nothing if the exogenic influence is outside your individual control (which it often is)… But we are at a point where the majority of people with mental health issues are experiencing a level of exogenic influence and there are enough of us that if we organised we could change the factors that are causing or worsening our mental health symptoms.
So it bears talking about, is medication always appropriate?
Medication is important, especially for endogenic conditions, and medication is life saving. But if you have exogenic depression and the meds aren’t working, the new prescription is protest.
Medication isn’t just a bandaid on outside factors, it can serve as a short term treatment tool to help someone face the issues they are struggling with. I would bet most people on some kind of antidepressant were not on them permanently, just long enough to get stable and see results from therapy and work. That’s the problem with being anti-medication without much nuance, it stigmatizes the tools people use as being unnecessary bandaids or crutches. It just screams “you don’t need meds, just deal with your issues”.
Nothing here is anti therapy.
And I wouldn’t interpret it as anti meds either. It’s just pointing out the absurdity of a society that’s so miserable it forces people to seek medical attention just to exist. Any rational society would change until people are happy.
The problem with portraying it like this is there is no room for nuance, it pits medication against society with no room for both. Maybe it wouldn’t read like that if there wasn’t a societal stigma against mental illness and meds, but that’s ironically the world we live in.
The problem is that those it doesn’t work for just get told to keep trying. Just keep throwing money at something that doesn’t work. “Try therapy” is almost a thought terminating response to any problem.
It’s wonderful that medication and CBT work for some. They do not work for me, and that’s something I know because I’ve tried and tried and tried. But the only response I’ve gotten when seeking support is the “try therapy and meds!”
There’s also a substantially amount of privilege in being able to access therapy and medications. They are not universally accessible. If you are LGBT in a rural area, the “problem” that they will try to fix and medicate you for will be that you are LGBT. Most therapists in my area do not take insurance because getting it covered is complicated and my state is attempting to get therapists notes entered into a publicly accessible database. I’m losing insurance this month, but even with insurance before $500 or so a month to try to get my brain working, especially when it hasn’t been fucking working because my problems are external - like what’s the fucking point?
“Oh no, a deadly pandemic. Best I can do is inject dead virus to trick your body to improve its immune system”
That’s what you sound like… 🙄
(A treatment that works is a good treatment method.)
Go back to your cave you fucking troll. You are the perfect example of why we should bring back public shaming.
yeah fuck this, my soul crushing depression and ADHD are largely independent of my environment. I get that this is true for some people, but posts like these make me angry.
As someone who also has depression and ADHD. There is nothing wrong with us. It’s OK to take medication to survive in an environment that’s actively hostile to people like us, but it’s also OK to acknowledge that if our society actually valued people we could live the way we need with the community support we need and likely wouldn’t need to be medicated any more.
It’s like covid, catching covid doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with you. It means our society isn’t structured in a way to prevent people from getting sick (masks, vaccines, etc) and values profits more than people’s wellbeing.
It has nothing to do with profits because it is something that happens everywhere even in countries/companies that are less profit focussed (yes that exists, you see it more in companies following the Rhineland business model).
A friend of mine is way to smart for his own good has depression and is autistic. It is not like he couldn’t do the work, but it is A that he cannot guarantee he will be there every day and B he cannot really deal with people having authority on him. Nor does self employment work for him. Working together with him on anything doesn’t really work cause you cannot expect anything from him sadly.
And it is getting worse and worse the more he realises that there is a lot wrong with society. He is now basically pushing anything and everybody away, but apparently he is getting more productive now he stopped blowing weed (his words, not mine).
Yeah there are companies who don’t want to help people for profit/loss reasons, but that is not the only reason why some people cannot function like others in the world.
Right or wrong doesn’t factor for me. I do not make value judgements about my neurochemistry, I just care about how well I am able to exist. I do not believe I’d live a happy life if I was unmedicated, regardless of our society. You are free to believe that about yourself, but I know what my untreated depression feels like—an absolutely crushing nothingness where I starve myself because I’m too apathetic to eat. I know what my untreated ADHD feels like—a bottomless pit of unmotivation and a maddening lack of emotional mindfulness. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong or shameful with having a medical condition that requires medication to treat. People with physical conditions shouldn’t be told that they’d be fine if society just accepted them when the consequences of not treating their condition is misery or death. I have a physical condition that affects my neurochemistry to a degree that prevents me from being happy and living. Some people have depression and can deal with it by making concessions or exercising or meditating and I’m happy for them. Therapy helped me a lot with my depression, but the baseline miserable nothingness is still there. Some people have ADHD but have found coping strategies and don’t need meds, and I’m happy for them. The D in ADHD is too strong for me to deal with on my own in any conceivable circumstance, and that is fine. There’s nothing wrong or shameful about that, it is what it is, like how someone with a congenital issue might need a wheelchair. I am entitled to my own understanding of myself, the shit I’ve suffered through, and how I deal with it.
I absolutely agree that our society treats neurodiverse people like shit. I agree that we’re generally lonely and don’t support each other well. Nothing wrong at all with that premise. I categorically disagree with your statement that we “likely wouldn’t need to be medicated anymore” if things were to change. I am either not a part of your “we,” or you are attempting to invalidate the decades I’ve spent coming to grips with what I need to survive.
EDIT: I don’t like being this hostile, but as I said, I am very fucking touchy about this topic. I’ve had enough of people assuming they know how my head works.
As someone who deals with the same, I 100% agree with you. In my mind, whatever I need to survive is the “right” thing. Them throwing a “but” after the “it’s okay to be on meds” minimizes what we need in favor of what they prefer.
How does that work? Environment is everything
I don’t think your sick, I don’t think I am either… I think we’re hunters in a society of farmers
No.
Do not assume you understand my mental state. You can be a “hunter in a society of farmers.” I’ll just continue being a person with an imbalanced neurochemistry that I use medication to balance. I just want be able to get out of bed on a Saturday and do things I love.
My life has been filled with enough invalidation and unsolicited “advice” about my mental health, so I’m a little fucking touchy about this shit sometimes.
Spoken like someone without a single shred of empathy. Try asking and listening more rather than telling other people what their problem is.
It’s unempathic to tell people they’re being judged by unfair standards?
I don’t know what you read, but it isn’t what I wrote
because both ADHD and MDD are illnesses with physical and genetic factors.
ADHD is only considered an illness because it makes it more difficult to be forced into compliance. There is nothing inherently wrong with being neurodivergent, if society was structured better it wouldn’t be considered strange.
Think about it this way, if society was structured exclusively for ND people, then being NT would be considered an illness. But we happen to live in the exact opposite scenario.
Blatantly false. If someone has a broken leg, do you say “environment is everything, I don’t think your sick, you don’t need medical help”?
I agree, but if the shitty staircase you fell down and broke your leg on isn’t repaired, you’re gonna fall down and break your leg again.
yeah fuck this, another example of someone being mad at a meme that clearly wasnt aimed at them. Comments like these make me angry.
Like, it kinda is aimed at people like me though? I’ve talked with my therapist about how fucked up the state of the world is over the decade or so I’ve been working with them. I had a psychiatrist try to increase my antidepressant dosage when I was struggling through some really terrible EMDR therapy (dealing with childhood trauma caused by how shitty our society is) because they thought it would make my life more bearable, which is exactly the meme. I pushed back on that because I knew what was causing that specific misery and I was solving it with therapy, not psychiatry. I don’t engage with my psychiatrists like they’re therapists, but I have otherwise been in this picture. Psychiatrists treat problems with pills, and sometimes they try to fix things that aren’t best addressed with medication.
I’ve also spent my life being told that I was stupid, weak, incompetent, or lazy because no matter what else is going on with my life, I have baseline physiological issues that prevent my brain from functioning. I am far from alone in this. I would have had a better life if my condition had been treated as soon as it was noticed. The stigma surrounding psychiatric medicine meant that I wasn’t and I suffered as a result. This post perpetuates the stigma that caused my suffering so I do not like it and will say something about it.
Yeah, you’re right. This is aimed directly at you and definitely nobody else who doesn’t have the problems you have. My bad.
Yes and its totally reasonable to excpect that from a mental health professional. Literally everyone else but you has to be responsible for your mental health right?
