cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/30934764

The “privacy-first” company surprised its user base when CEO Andy Yen lauded Trump on social media.

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Enter email to receive emails

I disagree, Mr Website.

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I used bob@example.com without issues.

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Also try root@[base URL]

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The benefit of example.com is that no one can ever register it, so there’s never a chance of causing additional spam to a genuine domain owner.

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5 points

I just change it to reader-mode

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Just turn noscript on and the popup doesnt show up.

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I’ve been looking in to degoogling and was considering Protonmail before this. Does anybody know of a good alternative? Espeically one that lets you have multiple email addresses?

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It’s not the most practical thing in the universe, but I have a small VPS that I host my email on for myself and a couple others (5 addresses in total). It’s a bit of a pain to set up, but once it’s working, it is really nice to have that kind of control.

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There are dozens of us!

I think email gets a bad rap for difficulty of hosting. So long as you get your DMARC, DKIM, RDNS, SPF, etc right, it’s reasonably forgiving. Need to take server down for maintenance? No worries- any mail that couldn’t be delivered will be resent in a few minutes/hours/days.

Harder than hosting a simple website? Yes. Rocket surgery? No.

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If you only care about email (and calendar, I guess) Tuta is a pretty good choice. I’ve been using it for years and had only one problem very early on. Additional aliases are only available with the paid plan (€3 a month) however, same as Proton I believe.

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Yup.

Tuta works well for me for the past year or so, so I recently switched to their annual plan. I used Proton for a couple years (paid plan) and preferred it, but they raised the price so I bailed. The €3 plan from Tuta is more than enough for me.

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I’m still on a legacy plan (which still feels like a really good deal despite some small concessions compared to the new plans) but yeah, even with the new prices it’s definitely worth it.

Also, while not strictly email focused but they have a blog with articles about various privacy related topics and news - it’s a pretty neat source of info, especially for those less knowledgeable about this stuff.

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I’ve heard https://mailbox.org/en/ is good.

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Been using it a few years and I’m happy. Best upgrade coming from google is that the calendar actually works with thunderbird.

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I have tuta, bitwarden, firefox relay, and libreoffice, seems to work decently. I am also considering getting a mullvald vpn, but not sure how well it works with torrenting, since they no longer support port-forward.

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Using Mullvad, I stay connected to it 24/7. I’ve no problems with torrenting. It costs 5€/month. Maybe try it out to see if it’ll suit you as well.

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same, my torrent container is connected to Mullvad and works great.

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Does bitwarden have a browser extension for firefox?

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Yes they do

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Yes. This is also something you could have googled in the time it took to comment.

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I bit the bullet this month & bought a domain so I can assign mail handling and change providers without changing my email address. Currently using https://purelymail.com/ because they’re $10/year for as many addresses & domains as you want “within reason.” It’s apparently just one guy with some AWS instances, but it was very straightforward to set up.

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The same applies to what I commented about Mxroute - Purelymail doesn’t cater to users who require end-to-end encryption, advanced privacy features, or those who need built-in security measures beyond standard email protocols, as it’s primarily focused on reliable email delivery and hosting rather than security-first communication.

Tuta would be a viable alternative to Proton.

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Yeah, I considered E2EE. Even set up PGP keys in Thunderbird and installed https///mailvelope.com . For E2EE to really be viable, your correspondents have to comply, and none of the people I email with have any interest. I even email with someone on proton, and they always reply to me in the clear.

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I was dumb enough to walk away from that approach about 10 years ago. Ugh. But you’ve convinced me. The annual cost of a domain is lunch money for a week. The freedom it provides in this scenario is well worth it.

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There’s a lot of domains you can get for the price of a single coffee, if you don’t insist on it being cute, readable, or one of the legacy TLDs. Between purelymail and a .top domain, it’s $15/year.

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+1 for purelymail.

I’ve had my personal domain on gmail and most recently proton. Proton got too pricy when I wanted to add another couple of domains. After some research I landed on purelymail, and it’s been smooth sailing to set up and use.

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What do you mean by “I bought a domain”? Is the domain has been rented or there is someone who sells domain for life and heritage?

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I have pretty good experience with Tutanota an bitwarden as the most direct alternatives

Tutanota apps lack a bit of polish but the UI looks reasonably nice and gets the job done. Bitwarden has treated me pretty well.

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im using a nextcloud host called murena. you could probably use an equally good one or self host, but i found the free next cloud host sign up tool too buggy to use.

main draw of next cloud for me is you can use features like third party clients and calendar sharing without having to manually prepare for account downgrade if you want a lower tier, and in fact the only difference between tiers is storage

note that im not clear how good their encryption is, it seems not to be fully end to end encrypted

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After digging around, I’m going to try Tuta for email/calendar and Mullvad for VPN. Tuta’s €3 plan lets you have 15 additional addresses and 3 custom domains.

Anyone using a good proton drive alternative?

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Anyone using a good proton drive alternative?

I run Synology NAS at home and I love it, but it was expensive to set up.

Other extreme is Syncthing for completely free device sync, but no backup beyond your devices and both devices must be online to sync.

I self-hosted Nextcloud on cloudamo with Cryptomator for e2ee but I can’t really recommend it. Nextcloud is pain to administer and tends to be buggy.

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Well fuck

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Yeah, my two year contact just renewed with them before this happened. fml

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4 points

Plan Your escape… It takes a hit minute to switch emails anyway

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Yeah, I’m just salty about the timing. I’ve already started the process, but if I had a crystal ball I would have downgraded to a year max, or maybe monthly.

Edit

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You can still cancel your subscription so that it won’t auto-renew in 2 years and it let’s you leave a comment when doing so if you want to voice any concerns.

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You can get a refund within 30 of an auto-renewal. That’s what I did too.

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Whaaaaa? For reals? It didn’t let me automatically, so I assume you had to contact them?

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Check my comment history…

I said this before:

fucking stop putting all your eggs in one basket, folks

Mix and match ftw…

This is not a deal breaker for me but if they keep this up, I will stop using them. And it just one service, so I can easily do it, assholes.

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This is not a deal breaker for me

Absolutely disgusting.

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Can’t fight them all…

But I don’t disagree, good sir

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I mean company backs pro-company party isn’t exactly surprising. You want to not shop at every company that supports Republicans? You’re going to have a hard time finding anywhere to shop in most of the US. Gotta stick to smaller companies, and if you get small enough you’ll get to mom and pop locations where personal votes are the comparison and they’ve voted Republican their entire lives.

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People are reactionaries by nature, they don’t think shit through until they get fucked enough to learn or they die, which ever comes first.

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there’s an entire continuum of political support, and you can choose to draw a line anywhere on it. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to draw that line at outright public endorsement, particularly now with Trump in office.

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the CEO of a company I use for emails expressed a questionable opinion on antitrust issue

it’s not deal breaker for me

absolutely disgusting

If this is absolutely disgusting for you, I guess you have really, really, really high standards, that probably nobody can meet.

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Not being ok with a rapist insurrectionist grifter felon being in charge of the country is too high a standard?

🖕

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“We’re not liberal or conservative, we’re a secret third thing!(conservative)”

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They vote for whoever helps them get paid the most.

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Capitalist.

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They’re swiss.

We have more parties in our equivalent of the presidential office than you have parties in total.

I have huge problems with this notion that you have to be either democrat or conservative. They don’t even cover 50% of the opinions I, a green-liberal (actual liberal, not US-definition), hold.

You’re absolutely able and allowed to have your own opinion different from what any party official says.

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I have a huge problem with parties period. Parties inhibit critical thinking. And I’m an American. And I don’t want this. Eat the rich!

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Yes but swiss people can still be absolutely piece of shit human beings. They proved that in WWII by helping fund the Nazis directly. Swiss people also aren’t immune from rampant US party propaganda. You aren’t magical, psychologically different humans than the rest of the world.

Publicly supporting an openly fascist dictator, whatever “political party” they are on, someone who directly opposes the stated mission and values of the company, means that they are piece of shit humans who cannot be trusted with our data because they will just lie with what they do with it just like how they lied to us about their company values.

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When commenting on US politics, they should be aware of US political realities though. When taking position relative to US politics, they should be aware of that. At the very least, they should comment that they’re progressive or something along the lines of “Our political orientation isn’t represented in US politics” to acknowledge that, like you did.

But when your CEO endorses Republicans, pretending you’re neutral isn’t a good look.

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Don’t forget, Swiss Neutrality is the special kind of neutrality that lets them store gold bullion made from Jewish tooth fillings.

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Saying someone is swiss isnt the defense you want it to be considering that the swiss helped harbor nazi wealth.

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Holy non-sequitur

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They were commenting on American politics though. Swiss parties are irrelevant. Supporting Trump is a crazy position no matter what your nationality is or what parties exist in that country.

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