I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?
Ultimately yes, its the fault of the voters (and non voters) who let their emotions cloud their judgement. Thats true whether you like it or not. Especially if Gaza was your main issue; if you saw both candidates and thought Trump was better for the situation, you need to seriously look inward and consider your reasoning abilities.
That being said, the opposition party does not get off the hook so easily here. The fact that Trump could win despite everything he said is a total and utter failure. Their strategy is bad, and they refuse to acknoledge it because to do so means that they need to upend their internal heirarchy. They have buried their heads in the sand when it comes to accepting the playing field of politics right now, and quite frankly as a party they look incredibly weak.
In other words, to not acknoledge that the election was theirs to lose is also denying reality
Democrats also have a fair share of blame for refusing to work with the left, and instead siding with war criminal Dick fucking Cheney.
If they had made any effort to inspire people to vote for them they would have gotten more votes.
Honestly I’m surprised they got as many votes as they did seeing as they actively worked to alienate their vote base.
Portraying abstaining, third party, and trump voters in the same group is pretty lazy, if not intentional.
The electoral college exists: Every person I knew in swing states voted Harris in exchange for someone in CA or WA voting Claudia de la Cruz or otherwise.
But I guess even Harris voters can be made into Trump supporters with enough effort at this stage.
I just don’t understand people railing at the non voters and the people who voted for Trump. It seems as backward as a rocket scientist raging at drag and wind breaking their rocket. “How dare the wind do this! Don’t they know this will progress humanity!?!”
It’s your job to build a rocket that can withstand the air at those speeds. The air is always a problem you have to deal with, and no, you can’t shame the air into doing what you want.
Genuinely the democratic campaign seemed more like they were pushing a trolley problem than a future. So why is everyone so shocked it failed?
You compare voting to the laws of physics. They’re not even remotely similar. Politics is choice.
A more apt compatison would be a little kid crying that he wants a chocolate ice cream, his mum says he should order that, then to be funny/petulant/assertive he orders strawberry - and gets mad at his mum when the server gives him strawberry. “It was your job to make me choose what I wanted!”, he wails.
excellent analogy.
airflow and friction can be manipulated and corrected. Trump knows this and has been doing it for 8 years.
sure, wind drag is an infuriating factor, i get pissed off at it sometimes, but it will never take the majority of the blame from me compared to the people forcing us all into the damn rocket.
this but uncynically
in a state with massive poll wait times, no day off for voting, and leadership that gives voters reason to hate their guts every day, not voting is literally the default, no brain option.
it shouldn’t be, but it is. dems had the choice to either accept that situation and work with it, or just say fuck you everyone and hope for the best.
I think you’re getting your roles all mixed up with your analogy. The anger you reference is at fellow voters. It isn’t the average voter’s job to build a better rocket. And the wind is not alterable but voter decisions are. The anger is at the decision makers who chose the rocket that was less capable of dealing with the harsh wind or chose to not pick a rocket at all, knowing that would result in the lesser rocket being picked.
Okay I’m getting sick of the whole “the dems failed us” bullshit.
WE failed. WE let this happen. WE had the choice between an obvious dictator or continued democracy.
You can shift the blame all you want but at the end of the day it was an obvious choice. You can come up with any other excuse you want. If you didn’t vote for Harris you are to blame. Period. End of fucking story.
Edit: The dems should’ve been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win. The fuck is wrong with people to not see that?
The dems should’ve been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win. The fuck is wrong with people to not see that?
Everyone sees it, thus our point that the Dems are to blame because they didn’t fucking win. You guys trying to absolve them of their sins act like the reality of voting is that everyone will vote perfectly logically for the lesser evil when that has never been how voting works
While I can understand your perspective, it’s one of those unfortunate cases where ideology clashes with reality.
Yes, Trump never planned on following through on actually helping people. He lied, and people bought it. And yet it’s no ones fault Harris’s that she decided to tell people “things won’t change if you vote for me”.
A nation of voters isn’t made up of individuals who you can convince, it’s a crowd of people following certain dynamics, just like any other large grouping of things. You can either accept that and work with this fact to steer the crowd, or you can ignore this fact and lose because you’re trying to go against the flow. And in the end, the only people who had any meaningful control was Harris’ campaign.
Imagine you’re a shepherd, and your flock is running towards the edge of a cliff. Sure, you can plant your feet and say “they shouldn’t run off the cliff”, but the only end result will be losing all your sheep.
I respect your argument, but I still refute it.
There was a saying someone shared recently: Give them the third best option. Because the second best comes too late and the best never comes at all. Essentially, do not let perfect be the enemy of the good.
I agree that Kamala should have developed more of a campaign around frustrated white young men, and working class America. That was a mistake, but I also think it was an easy mistake to make when scrambling to take over from Biden’s campaign.
If we go 4 years from now, 8 years, 30 years, I think every candidate we see will be imperfect and will make mistakes. The only time we’ll ever see a perfect candidate is when they lie about their accomplishments and overstate themselves. Americans need to be able to spot those flaws themselves, and that will not change in any election cycle. I should not get into the White House by promising every working American a trillion dollars.
I’m not asking for a perfect candidate, not sure where you got that from.
My whole point is that Harris’ positions got her some number of voters. We now know that this number was too small, and we also now know that they knew this fact.
Harris could have changed her positions to get more voters, but she didn’t. How is this not completely her fault?
Again, I’m not asking her to be some perfect politician. I’m asking her to look at the polling results (which we know she had) and to adapt her campaign based on those, which she didn’t do.
Did you forget noone chose kamala? Twice in a row the democrats have taken popular choice away to put in their best corporate sponsor. We have had better choices every time and the democrats say fuck you anyways.
She didnt scramble to take over the campaign, she killed it out of the gate before moneyed hands got ahold of her and restricted what she could say and how. She showed us a good campaign and then threw it away. You remember that too right?
Nobody is looking for a perfect candidate, just one that actually wants to help the american people instead of use the government as a global pyramid scheme.
the dems failed us
the dems should have been able to run a wet paper bag and win
sounds like identical statements to me
Not really considering it was the voters who willingly voted for Trump just to spite Harris.
It’s literally cutting off your nose to spite your face.
it was the voters who willingly voted for Trump just to spite Harris
it wasn’t. if every spite vote for Trump had been reallocated to Harris, the election wouldn’t shift by even one electoral college vote.
- yes those individuals behaved stupidly.
- no, they are not a valid excuse for the democratic party to have abandoned the needs of the country.
I share your sentiment. If you had any sort of idea, even the faintest inkling of trump, literally a corpse should have been elected, I think many of the electorate don’t know anything about their politicians, and just vote a certain way “cause that’s how we’ve always done it”. The last election, elected a dictatorial fascist, and the alternative was to pinch your nose and apply pressure for Kamala to go left.
Wow, I haven’t had Philip DeFranco on my mind in a minute, bro. I grew out of him quite fast. He was talking a load of gossip and I just wasn’t interested anymore. Must be 10 years since I watched a video.
Interesting, I wasn’t really a fan of his before but been watching him off and on for the past couple of months. His format must’ve changed because I wouldn’t really consider his video’s gossip (I only get his news videos in my feed, not sure if he does others).
Ok, so I was curious and went to his channel and browsed his videos. You’re absolutely right it used to be all internet “fame” gossip lol, with maybe a news story sprinkled in here and there. It seems he’s decided to shift his stance looking at the last couple of months. I honestly don’t mind the gossip sprinkled in because I don’t have the energy to keep up with all the influencer drama and I’m usually left confused when I hear about it.
I’ll admit I was surprised with realizing that post was from defranco, usually he’s way more neutral about his position when reporting on things. He’s trying to come off as genuine but then it all falls apart when he describes people yelling and just generally using a negative tone giving his position away.
