In a report published on Thursday, three U.N.-appointed experts said they had found practices in U.S. prisons that amounted to “an affront to human dignity” in visits in April and May.

The U.S. diplomatic mission in Geneva declined to comment. The Federal Bureau of Prisons said it was committed to ensuring the safety and security of incarcerated individuals as well as employees and the public.

One such practice is restraining and shackling women prisoners during childbirth, the report said.

The experts “heard, first hand, unbearable direct testimonies of pregnant women shackled during labour, who due to the chaining, lost their babies”, it said. Asked to give details, a U.N. rights spokesperson referred to “several” cases and confirmed they all involved Black women.

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True about a lot of U.S. practices, especially those involving people of color.

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I very much don’t disagree, but one of the reasons we hear about these issues in the US is that we have a much larger “minority” (meaning not the people in power, even if there is a plurality) population.

In places like South America, the Middle East, Asia, and Europe, there’s either a homogenous population where this doesn’t make sense as a criticism or it’s just not being reported on. There’s huge amounts of racism all over the world.

The US and Canada have problems, but there are going to be pains as we identify and try to correct these racial injustices.

Remember: while colonialism and triangle trade slavery were the worst examples of racism, and the West invented that, it did not invent racism.

What it did invent was feeling bad about racism and trying to improve things.

This is not to defend or deflect anything. It’s more that I find “consciousness raising” to be effective.

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I disagree. I think the reason why we hear about these stories is because the U.S. is supposed to be the ‘land of the free’ and the place for ‘your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.’ And then it turns out that no, it’s actually a shithole. And then it turns out that it’s especially bad for minorities due to whatever specific situation the story is about. So I think you’ve kind of got it backwards.

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I don’t see your comment as addressing the same thing at all.

The land of the free was never really a thing. If you are even considering that as part of the discussion, I think you’re being naive. America (us and Canada) just has a lot of resources in the sense that it was guaranteed to be a world power for geographic reasons. (“Guns, germs, and steel” is an interesting, but accessible, but also dated, discussion of that)

Any trivial understanding of US, European, or world history will show you the same. Getting people to interact well with out groups is extremely hard. especially in the event of diaspora.

My ancestors, like most of everyone poor brought to the new world, were transported here as human garbage. They weren’t taken as chattel slaves, but a share cropper or indentured servant is still not something to be admired either.

We’re talking about addressing racial issues. My ancestors were “non white” whites. They disappeared because they didn’t have an observable difference. We’re now addressing the observable ones.

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“Shithole”?

Strongly disagree. Whatever problems the USA has, there are far more places that are far worse, and very few that are better.

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You have an okay point. Liberalism is good at advocating for certain issues, one being against racism and against the police state. I see this as an issue worth watching because the issues in some key prisons have gotten worse and more brazen in very recent years, not better.

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Unfortunately a lot of americans like it just the way it is. Nothing’s going to get better without a lot of time, or a lot of conservatives ending up in the ground

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Hey now, how am I sposed to get my vengence boner stroked if there isn’t someone’s mugshot in the news for me to sneer at?

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Yeah no shit lol

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I get a deep sense of satisfaction every time a filthy 01/06 insurrectionist ends up in prison and whines about conditions.

Suck it up, buttercup. You were loving it when you thought it was just “those people”.

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That I’d actually say no to.

I don’t question some people deserve death for their actions in life, I just don’t trust everyone else with the precedent acting on that sets.

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What happened on the 1st of June?

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No idea, it’s just like people always going on about the 9th of November. Something about plane crashes i think?

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I mean, honestly, this is a rather unfair assessment.

It’s not just our jail system. It’s pretty much the entire judicial system at every step of the way, from a traffic stop to eventual execution.

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Stop and film.

Don’t talk to the police.

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our police/courts/corrections is an industry, unfortunately. Who knew that placing ever more profit motives on arresting, processing, and jailing people would end up leading to bad outcomes.

But, hey, it’s just the unwashed the masses, so who cares, I guess.

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