Awwww. Maybe if people actually had been reading the news they may have seen this coming. Now it’s only the leopards.
Which news? The one that downplayed everything he said, or the one that never mentioned a single thing he said?
No no…it was the one that justified everything he said and sane-washed it as being “not that bad”.
Oh, the one that said “you can’t take what he says at face value”? Thank you for clarifying, I wasn’t sure.
Every non fox like news channel covered project 2025, and fox even had a few stories. Sure, there could have been more alarm bells raised, but not many down played the seriousness of it. You’d have to be completely ignorant of his intentions to think he wouldn’t go through with almost everything he said he would. It’s still on them for somehow not believing it.
Yes ofc I saw this coming when the dems decided to support genocide. Another loser candidate. Who could be surprised?
They aren’t regretting here yet. I make comments about it and get brigade against. Hey Dearborn Palestinians for Trump: you guys were completely ignorant, ignored everything that man said, and still held out hope he would be better for your people for some god known reason. Ya fucked up.
The election was three months ago. These constant attempts to relitigate it are just an attempt by the right to divide the left.
The truth is there is blame on both sides. Those who stayed home hold some responsibility, and the Biden admin is also to blame for shunning their own base.
But now we have bigger fish to fry. There’s a constitutional crisis on, and a united front is needed against the right. Fuck the dividers. When someone tries to divide the left, call them out on it or downvote them to hell. They’re either a conservative or a Russian troll.
The right didn’t need help to divide the left this election. The left did it itself. The American left splintered into toxic little sub groups who all hated each other, saw each other as unworthy allies and called each other fascists for being even slightly right or even left of each other. Meanwhile the right was unified and laughing at the left who so easily felll for the right’s manufactured war
Yeah. There were a lot of people saying they wouldn’t vote for Biden or Harris due to one issue, even though Trump wouldn’t be an improvement on that one issue they wouldn’t vote for Biden on.
Now they’re angry that Democrats have very little power to resist Trump.
Those who stayed home hold some responsibility
Second most of the responsibility, actually (actual Trump voters take the most responsibility). They screwed up, and now we’re all paying the price.
But now we have bigger fish to fry. There’s a constitutional crisis on, and a united front is needed against the right.
Also true. If Trump voters and non-voters realize that they screwed up badly and want to work to fix it, then we need to accept their apology, forgive them, and let them stand with the rest of civilized humanity in countering Trump, Must, and their goons.
I’m talking specifically about the left side of the aisle. And there were two sides to blame. The centrist Dems and the myopic Palestine folks were playing chicken with each other, seeing who would blink first. Neither blinked, and they rammed head first into each other. If a game of chicken results in a collision, both sides are to blame.
You do understand that it is possible for both parties in a conflict to be equally at fault, do you not? The Palestine supporters had a very good point - the Dems were fucking stupid for supporting Israel the way they did. And the Dems had a very good point - myopic Palestine supporters were fucking stupid for focusing on that as the only issue that matters. They both had a point, and they were both fucking stupid.
Also true. If Trump voters and non-voters realize that they screwed up badly and want to work to fix it, then we need to accept their apology
I totally would. I have yet to hear one.
They’re still holding on to their moral superiority, which is all they cared about to begin with.
They will never realize this. They think game theory isn’t real and voting 3rd party means they’re better than Dems even though they enabled trump. It’s the worst virtue signaling possible. Gaza will pay the price for their hubris.
Eh.
I’m not ready to forgive the utterly ignorant fools who abstained from voting or voted 3rd party and helped put us in the situation we’re in.
They do not deserve to be forgiven. Especially this fast. I like accountability.
You have two guilty parties on the left side of the aisle:
- Centrist Democrats, who ignored the pleadings of their own base and chose facilitating genocide over winning an election.
- Myopic Palestine supporters who decided Palestine was the only issue that matters.
Get your head out of your ass. It is possible for both parties to be at fault. They were both playing chicken, and if either had blinked, the outcome may have been different. If two drivers are playing chicken, driving towards each other at high speed, and they end up colliding? You don’t try to argue who was to blame. You say, “you’re both fucking stupid” and divide the legal liability equally.
The left is divided already. In the ways these folks voluntarily decided to do. It’s not now that others are pointing it out that the divisions are occurring. How much more gentle do others need to be around the ones who made this mistake? How much more hand holding?
They aren’t regretting here yet.
How many pro-trump muslims do you think exist on Lemmy?
Y’all are crying about demographic groups that are statistically nonexistent.
I guess libs are the real victims of the genocide that they support. \s
You’re scapegoating 40,000 people who have lost family members in the genocide for not voting for the killers and using Dearborn as a slur at this point. Less people voted for Trump there than the national average. Keep proving you’re a Nazi.
Fuck the Nazis, but also fuck the conservative Muslims that can’t vote for a woman.
BROTHER THAT WOMAN GOT THE MUSLIMS VOTING FOR THE MUSLIM BAN GUY GET A FUCKING GRIP
that can’t vote for a woman.
That wasn’t the reason and others have already given you receipts. You just can’t stand that your genocide isn’t as popular with Muslims as it is with centrists.
“Not voting for the killers” is REALLY a stretch here.
Honestly if Palestine is your one and only policy, not voting was the right choice.
It was well known from Trump’s first term, and everything the man has ever said, that he would encourage attacks on Palestinians vs the Dems who simply stood by and let it happen.
There’s a big difference between not voting for someone who won’t help and actually voting for someone who hates you and will unapologeticly help your enemy kill you.
There’s a big difference between not voting for someone who won’t help and actually voting for someone who hates you and will unapologeticly help your enemy kill you.
This isn’t what happened though. What we got was a vote between someone who will apologize while helping your enemy kill you, and someone who will help your enemy gleefully. The outcome is the same either way, one just has better optics.
A lot of Dearborn’s Arab population is Palestinian and Lebanese and had/have family at risk of being killed. You know when those 2,000 pound bombs get shipped to Israel they actually get dropped on people and kill them, right?
“There’s a big difference between not voting for someone who won’t help and actually voting for someone who hates you and will unapologeticly help your enemy kill you.”
Not when you have first past the post voting. None of you actually realize you helped trump by voting 3rd party.
Love seeing all the pissed off abstainers get angry that they’re not being thanked.
It didn’t work in 2016. It didn’t work in 2024. Maybe next time? Oh wait…
Love to see the pearl clutching idiots ingesting the propaganda and teaching themselves to hate their neighbors over a strawman.
If you actually payed attention and looked at data, you would know that protest votes didn’t impact the election in any meaningful way
But I understand. It’s really easy to get poor people to hate each other as a control mechanism.
Trump won the national popular vote by 1%
There was a 2% reduction in voter participation from 2020 to 2024.
So, yeah. Idiots staying home because there wasn’t a perfect candidate did impact the election in a significant way.
You staying home was a vote for Trump, and a whole lot of people are going to pay for your shitty behavior.
Sorry.
All out of sympathy.
Maybe if their trash decisions, after numerous warnings and pleas for common sense, didn’t lead to putting my own country in extreme jeopardy, I’d find the will to give a shit about their problems.
Hope they like the leopards shitting on their faces.
Most muslims I know saw right through the bullshit, but it seems there is a growing dumb fringe in all communities. Two were very vocal about Biden but ultimately supported Kamala as (in their view) the obvious lesser evil. That even one would vote for the guy who put a ban on Muslims in his first term will always baffle me as the most stupid shit I’ve ever witnessed
Edit the n+1th most stupid after the nth things diaper don does
They didn’t need all Muslim voters.
They needed “enough” Muslim voters. They peeled some off. And some voters on the economy and some voters on other issues.
The glaring issue with Palestine is that they were basically silent on it. Harris needed some daylight with Biden, but she chose the VP hat over her candidate hat and kept her mouth shut. (Or she doesn’t disagree with biden’s response. Which would also be problematic…)
I was so happy when she took over because she’d have the freedom to distance herself from Biden on the issues that were killing him (apart from the obvious senility). Instead she just kept trying to make everyone knew she approved of everything he did. What a terrible terrible mistake.
yeah, I’m with you on that.
She could have been respectful. "as VP it’s my job to stand by my president, and I will continue to do that- as VP. but as a candidate? I gotta say here’s how I will be doing things differently… "
And lets just be completely honest with Biden on gaza- He spent most of that time giving Netanyahu a blow job even though Netty was fucking him over by supporting trump.
They didn’t need all Muslim voters.
They certainly acted like they wanted zero of them.
Oh yeah.
the entire attitude was “Well, you’re not gonna go vote for trump, so, lets go after people who will never vote for me, instead.”
Which, I seem to recall trying to explain to Dems that this election was going to come down to who lost more of their base… I hate being right.
It’s a fringe that was a minority irrelevant to the election result but a favorite punching bag for liberals who’d rather do that than confront people in their own community and social networks. All the white racists they know get a pass, because they were just mistaken or misled, but they have passionate anger for minority voters who were witnessing an active genocide for not having 100% Democratic turnout.
We need to be very clear that white people, in almost every demographic - men, women, 18-55, 55+, non-college educated went solidly, majority Trump. THAT is the biggest problem, and it’s what needs to be fixed if the Republicans are ever going to get dislodged. Blaming groups that “only” voted 75-80% Harris is not helpful, and is exactly the kind of unproductive sniping the Republicans encourage and celebrate when we do it.
If you are not a white male billionaire, and you voted for Trump, or didn’t vote, you’ve made life worse for yourself (and everybody else) in multiple, awful ways, and should feel stupid about it. I’m sure most people will figure that out eventually, even if it is too late. Asking people how Trump has made their life better rather than telling them they’re idiots will probably get them there faster.
The Democratic party’s strongest, winning platform would to directly address the needs of people who work for a living, which is basically everybody, as opposed to the current “we rig the economy for billionaires… LESS!” Yes, Biden actually did many good things for working people, but he mixed it in with enough fellating the 1% that is was easy to make the (correct) conclusion that the wasn’t all in on it. Heck, Trump actually said some of the right things on that front. He was obviously lying, and anybody with a memory better than a goldfish (less than half the voters it seems) knew that, but at least he pretended to care about it.
Democrats need to focus on that. If that messaging ever got going seriously, Republicans would be too busy panic screeching about communism to spend their time telling people which bathroom they could use. The reason making tje economy work for the 99% isn’t front and center is because neither the Republican nor the Democratic leadership will allow that conversation to happen.
