The United States has announced the approval of the sale of more than $7.4bn in bombs, missiles and related equipment to Israel, which has used American-made weapons to devastating effect during the war in Gaza.

The state department has signed off on the sale of $6.75bn in bombs, guidance kits and fuses, in addition to $660m in Hellfire missiles, according to the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA).

The proposed sale of the bombs “improves Israel’s capability to meet current and future threats, strengthen its homeland defense, and serves as a deterrent to regional threats”, the DSCA said in a statement.

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axis of evil and has been. you vote democrat, you vote republican, you vote for genocide. simple as.

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Yeah, because all things are equal. At least to simpletons.

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lol cope

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Think the Democrats would build Gaza a Lago?

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No, they’d just quietly fund the Israeli plan for the same result.

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Hey they would at least condemned Israel’s actions

Excuse me while I go cry in the corner about how fucked we are

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Do you know which politician has taken the most money from Israel? I think that he was happy to support their genocide, and his vice president was no different.

Trump is absolutely a nightmare but trying to pretend that Democrats weren’t also a nightmare on this issue is ridiculous. The halls of Congress are full of Israeli flags. There is no voting to help. Palestinians meaningfully possible.

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At this point, some people have become walking textbook trolley problems, where to make a choice that makes you moral in one dimension you become a monster in all the others and make everyone worse in the process. But your conscience is safe, thank you for that.

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it is safe because i didn’t allow myself to reduce supporting genocide to a trolley problem.

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Reduce? You people spent months reducing all other issues that affect billions of people well into the future like fighting climate change or keeping civil rights or access to healthcare or labour rights or all 900 pages of project 2025 to the one issue where you have no negative leverage either way by voting for president.

You’re the one dumbing down political debate to a single issue, I just framed it in a way that captures the pattern of hundreds of sterile debates I’ve seen online: you can choose to soil your conscience by collectively choosing to avert disaster or let disaster happen and get nothing in return (probably even worse) for your one cause.

And the worst part is your vote should not even have been decisive, it should have been easier to get 10% of undecided normies to compensate your reluctant 1%, but they are depoliticized and don’t care if they live in fascism or not anymore.

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Sometimes you have to choose the lesser evil, and you did good in the difference.

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and sometimes you have a conscience that doesn’t allow you to rationalize away complicity in genocide

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You are rationalizing away your complicity in the two genocides that are happening in the U.S. right now. To the point that you’ve denied that they are happening in the very recent past.

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If your choice increases the magnitude of the genocide, how could it reduce your complicity?

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But you do realize that trump is much much much much worse, right? It’s not just about the genocide, you know.

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To some people the genocide overshadows anything else because… Y’know, it is/was a genocide. Telling those people that “it’s not just about the genocide” is, frankly, barking up the wrong tree.

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“Yeah we got a genocide but at least we don’t have a genocide!”

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How about the start of two genocides?

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Personally I’d prefer a single genocide over a genocide, all foreign aid being pulled, dumping vital irrigation reserves, and more.

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And yet they did nothing to stop the genocides of brown and queer people in America happening now.

I guess only one genocide matters. But then that’s been clear to the Sudanese for years now.

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i don’t think he’s much much much much worse, that’s too many muchs- maaaybe much much worse- and that’s neither here or there… genocide IS a reasonable red line and you can’t gaslight me off my solid footing in that regard.

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Ok but you’ve opted for the much much worse ethnic clensing.

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These people have enough privilege that they know they won’t be put in the camps first. And they probably think they never will. So it’s no risk to them.

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Worse how? In terms of for Palestine. They were always screwed no matter what. It seems to me that Trump is pretty much identical to Biden in terms of supporting Palestine, except he’s an idiot and says the quiet part out loud while Biden just recited Zionist talking points.

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I literally said “it’s not just about the genocide.” Palestine isn’t the only thing going on in the world, and there are millions of people who are being affected right here in the US because of trump’s fascist behavior.

I’m sorry about Palestine, and if there was a candidate who vowed to stop feeding Israel money & weapons, I’d vote for them. But I’m not a single issue voter, because I’m not a fucking moron. I can’t turn my back on transsexuals in America, or Latin American refugees, or immigrants in the US, or low-income people, the mentally ill, the elderly, non-Christians, gays, the sick, or pregnant women in America. I can’t ignore climate change. I can’t ignore the possibility of another pandemic. The US public education system is in danger. Environmental protections are in danger. Countless other public health & safety programs are in danger. Ukrainians are in danger. All because of trump.

I’m supposed to not vote for a candidate who supports genocide, when both candidates support it, but one of the two also threatens everything else, plus so much more?

The way our political system works is if you don’t vote for one it practically counts as a vote for the other-so refusing to vote is also supporting genocide.

Like other people have said- it’s a real life trolly problem. The people are already tied to the tracks, and all I can do is pull a lever. There is no avoiding it.

I hate the genocide. I support Palestine. I believe that between the two candidates, at least there was a sliver of a chance that they would stop the genocide under a Democratic presidency. Under a Republican presidency, there is less than zero chance. In addition to all I’ve listed above, and more.

In terms of Palestine maybe it’s a wash. But at least the Dems have a handful of party members who want to stop helping Israel. But my child right here in the US is in danger now because of trump. Billions of children’s futures are in danger because of trump.

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This is down voted for some reason but it’s literally true. No matter who you voted for no matter whether you voted or not you voted for genocide in this election. Pure facts.

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The US and Israel are cartoon villains at this point.

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B…b…but the Democrats are genociders so I didn’t vote or voted 3rd party to help the Palestinians.

Did I help? Did I help them? Does this help them?

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While I don’t disagree, I feel like we need to talk more about how disconnected the Democratic Party is from what their base actually wants. Them being diet republicans ain’t cutting it

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True. But at the same time you’re not going to get any of that by not voting and letting Republicans get elected. I mean get you butts out there and primary these centrist lead weights.

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primary these centrist lead weights.

This. Right. Here.

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If the DNC allowed that y’all wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place. I mean hello? 2020 was four years ago.

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Doesnt this boil down to the usual “the left falls in love, while the right falls in line”? hard to fall in love with your alliy’s ongoing war crimes and lefties are renowed for not falling in line even against their best interests. Makes it hard to win as an incumbent, though, how did Obama win reelection, he wouldn’t have been mistaken for a saint the second time round.

PS: got it, it’s because Romney still couldn’t make the right fall in line hard enough comparing with the love for Obama.

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They couldn’t win an election as diet republicans.

They’re not going to win if they move further left.

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Democrats lost because they didn’t embrace populist rhetoric.

If they just ran someone like Bernie they could have won. People are tired of the status quo and they thought Trump would be a way out of it. All democrats run on is “we’ll keep things the same”.

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You can’t defeat the darkness by becoming gray. You need to become bright and colorful

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I feel like we need to talk more about how disconnected the Democratic Party is from what their base actually wants

Did you feel this need before the election too? Because a lot of people did and that is who we’re talking about here.

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Gee, would have been nice to have democracy a few more years to maybe try and fix it.

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Fix what exactly? It isn’t that the democrats are a new party that suddenly popped into existence for the last election. They’ve been doing this shit forever.

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Have you actually looked at their platform? Or are you just repeating “Republican lite” because that’s what all your social circle says?

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This kind of feels like a loaded question, but yeah, I’d prefer it be more progressive. I’d like for Nancy and the other old guard to accept that they’ve got to move out of the way for the next generation to take the helm. Instead she blocked the new blood from higher committee positions. The attacks on her insider trading stick for a reason. I wish the same ones didn’t bounce off republicans but they’re clearly scott free of any accountability from their voting base, unlike the left which is constantly infighting.

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Agreed, but the roar of such sentiment just prior to the election that immediately died out tells you most people saying that didn’t actually believe it.

Those who do kept their mouths shut until after the election, because we knew doing otherwise would just elect Trump.

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Democrats didn’t push for that:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev

You ate Republican propoganda.

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Push for what? I didn’t mention any specific policy point

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There was one shot at helping the people of Palestine, that was the Democrats.

They refused to listen to voters and instead took in billions of lobbying from Zionists.

The only blame lies solely on Kamala and her greed. Imagine thinking stopping Trump was less important than making money.

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I wonder if you will keep rehashing the election even as people are being loaded into boxcars?

“I told you trans people to vote third party, but you had to vote for Kamala, didn’t you? Bye-bye!”

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The Democrats seemed quite fine with risking Trans people to be loaded into boxcars. Also many people immediately lasged out at ethnic minorities and queer people for not supporting the Democrats as strongly.

For the DNC they only got some considerations, when they were useful for power. Now that they didnt grant it, they got tossed aside.

Case in point all the D-Representatives now helping to vote Trump officials into elected government positions.

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It certainly seems that way on .world lately.

I knew what the comments were going to be in this thread before I even opened it.

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I wonder if you will ever stop blaming voters for a party so shit they let Trump win.

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None of the votes during this past election would have helped Palestine. That’s the point. You gotta think long term. Dems and Reps suck.

Our two party, single vote system isn’t working for the people and they want you to believe it is. Control your politicians. Don’t let them control you.

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For the US, sure.

Letting in the Tangerine Mussolini means there won’t be a Palestine by the end of his term.

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With the Democrats under the control of the DNC neither. Remember how the US built an “aid pier” for hundreds of millions that never delivered aid, but instead a beachhead for an Israeli assault disguised as humanitarian aid?

Now with Trump people are forced to confront the empire and maybe resist it from within, which also helps those outside of it. In the same wake other countries like in Europe will have to confront the fact that the US was never their friend, but just gave more considerations to the appearance of mutual respect and sovereignity on the outside.

The US empire has made it clear under Biden already, that there will be no peace in the Middle East, as long as the empire can prevent it. The only route to peace is dismantling the empire and replacing it with a normal country.

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It’s not like Americans will get to vote again. The current system is done for.

Ah yes, the same type of alarmist rhetoric the dems were pushing during the campaign. If the stakes were really this high, why did democrats sit on their asses for 4 years while Trump gained power? Why was their legal battle against Trump the most limp-dicked effort we’ve seen? Most importantly, why did Biden peacefully transfer power to Trump if the stakes were truly so high? This is one of the funniest liberal thought processes to me: the idea that it’s better to sacrifice your constitution, country, and democratic process instead of sacrificing “civility”, “decorum”, and “precedent”. Yall would rather embrace fascism with open arms than use the most basic tools at your disposal: stacking courts, appointing judges, using executive orders, etc… you know, all the strategies Republicans have mastered these past few years and have shown are extremely effective.

At the end of the day, the Democratic party’s selling point was “harm reduction”, but that was generous at best. It has become clear that the democrats simply slowed down the rate at which things were getting worse, and when the position of the party becomes “slow down genocide” as opposed to “stop genocide”, I think it’s perfectly fair for people to draw a red line. The only logical conclusion to this line of thinking is reaching a point, 20 years from now, when the choice is between a Democrat who wants 9 genocides and a republican who wants 10.

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Wow. This comment is one of the stupidest, most embarrassing comments I’ve seen on the internet. This comment is such a sad representations of ignorance and complicit brainwashing. Really dumb dumb comment right here.

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June 29, 2024 US has sent Israel thousands of 2,000-pound bombs since Oct. 7

Biden only stopped sending them after there was nothing left to destroy in Gaza.

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Dude, I’m not defending Biden in any sense whatsoever.

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Who was president when Israel flattened Gaza? Who sent them the weapons to do it? Why do you excuse Biden and the Democrats role in the genocide just because Trump is worse?

The Harris campaign purposefully ignored anyone asking about Gaza.

“We also didn’t create a new category for Gaza responses out of fear that category would be leaked. Instead we were told to mark them as ‘no response,’” the organizer said, faulting top Harris campaign leaders for failing to address the issue. “The only ‘clowns’ out there are those who were in senior leadership and decided to abdicate on this issue, who silenced a Palestinian speaker at the DNC, and who told us to ignore it every time a voter asked us about Gaza.”

I am increasingly disgusted by liberals. I am never voting Democrat again, it is past Biden or Harris being bad, it is the entire base that is genocidal except with polite rhetoric.

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Who is president while Native Americans and Puerto Ricans are being arrested by ICE and threatened with deportation?

Who is president while America gives up on every single climate goal?

Who is president while Elon Musk’s people have been given total access to U.S. finances without any sort of security clearances?

I could go on, but I won’t, because you are acting like the election was some sort of referendum on Israel. And all I can say to that is that I hope you have the white privilege to not be affected by this at the level of anyone who’s skin is a darker shade of peach and the cisgender, heterosexual privilege as well.

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Excuse is a different thing altogether than a vote. One is a state of mind. The other impacts who is president and brings that administrations actions into reality. Anyone who did not vote Democrat is responsible for the net difference in those outcomes. A vote is not a protest.

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I imagine they’re fortifying against Iran, or God knows who else they’re pissing off.

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The whole of Middle East for starters, and then many other parts of Asia and Africa. Israel is despised

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Good on the AFP for being willing to put the critical context in the headline instead of just trying to present bland data.

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