Apparently the 14th Waffen SS was unique in that it was the sole branch of the Nazis that didn’t do anything Nazi like, and never attacked the other Allies. Nope, just fought the communists.

How convenient.

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Indeed

Indeed fellow intellectual, it is absolutely OBVIOUS that the Waffen SS weren’t indoctrinated with nazi ideology, anyone with a tight bit of COMMON SENSE would say that

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I’m glad I wasn’t the only one put off by the “indeed” bit.

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That Article is wild. In the Atrocities section, first this:

And then boom, Dirlewanger.

What the fuck

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Not being directly charged and found guilty isn’t the trump card they think it is. Most Nazis were never punished, many top brass went on to shape the west into what it is today.

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Even top ones. I wrote other post today about massacre of Warsaw and man who ordered it, SS Obergruppenfuhrer Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski. Forces under his command were responsible for murdering 1,5 million people in Poland and USSR, and especially Poles wanted his blood after war for what he did in Warsaw. West refused his extradition, so Poles asked Stalin for help, and he intervened personally and west still refused. Zelewsky was never tried for the worst of his crimes and got basically a slap on the wrist compared to what he should.

West always defended nazis, even such absolute monster as this one. It is mindboggling how many less famous got away because of that.

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Not being directly charged and found guilty isn’t the trump card they think it i

Also, military divisions don’t have legal personhood so you can’t file charges against them like you could a company. You file charges against the commanders and the men, or in the case of the SS you declare it to be a criminal organization in it entirety.

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Meanwhile, I wonder what the same people who joined the 14th Waffen SS were doing 2 years earlier.

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That’s the thing that also made the vote on deleting Yaroslav’s page irrelevant (now they’re debating in the edits if he was a fugitive). The entire organisation was considered criminal, ALL Nazis after the war were considered to be criminals, regardless of their personal involvement in atrocities or lack thereof. If you were in the Wehrmacht, you were a criminal. If you were in the Waffen-SS, you were a criminal. If you were in the SS, you were a criminal.

What defines a criminal is being tried for their crimes. It doesn’t matter if Yaroslav or other 14th division nazis did not commit war crimes or they can’t prove that, just being part of it (especially as he bragged about it on his blog in the 2010s) is enough to convict him.

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It’s probably a warzone of damage control edits being made

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I would like to see the AK veterans reaction when they are being called “bolsheviks” to justify SS massacres.

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AK being Armiya Krayova?

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Yeah. Some of them would serve in the SS themselves if only Hitler didn’t cathegorically forbade Himmler from recruiting Poles.

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Aren’t those the same guys that were supposedly betrayed by Zhukov? I recall Russian liberal press huffing and puffing about it

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Finally got our page out on Yaroslav btw https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Yaroslav_Hunka, we also go into how Canada whitewashed Nazis refugees after the war and Ivan Katchanovski’s research into the unit’s war crimes.

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first i’m seeing of prolewiki, thats great, thanks sharing, and thanks for the efforts of you and your comrades organising it

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Thank you comrade

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We’re getting closer to “nazis were good because they were anti communists”

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Over the last few days I have come to the previously unfathomable conclusion the libs have apparently been there for a while now? Wtf?

They seem very comfortable with it, like it was a long settled debate

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Its just the inevitable outcome of doubling down on anti-communism.

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