“Trumpism is not going to be defeated by inside-the-Beltway politicians,” he said.

165 points

People like AOC and Sanders that are going around to different states and online, explaining to people how to stand up and resist, how to say: “this is not normal, but it is also not the time to feel helpless and defeated”, should be emulated by the entire Democratic party.

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AOC is definitely doing what you’ve said. But while some of what Sanders is doing is that, I think the important difference is that he’s actually going around to people who have historically disagreed with him and saying, “This is how the people you voted for are betraying that vote. We need to work together to stop them.” We need both from the DNC, especially depending on their constituents.

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But I was told that the Harris campaign trying to court traditionally Republican voters was a mistake.

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79 points

I get your /s, but bruh. Harris going on tour with the Cheneys was a terrible mistake. Bernie holding rallies and town halls in poor red districts and explaining to people how the richest man in the world bought the presidency to literally rob them of what little they have, not a mistake. There is a huge difference between the two.

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But I was told that the Harris campaign trying to court traditionally Republican voters was a mistake.

Courting by trying to be republican lite instead of courting them with alternatives.

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22 points

There is a difference between explaining how someone is getting screwed and saying you’ll fight with them against getting screwed and saying you’re a more friendly version of the person that’s about to screw you.

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because Harris tried to court them by doubling down on xenophobia, transphobia and a genocide, instead of trying to unite them with the fact that our true enemy has always been the corporate billionaires who own our politicians. There’s an obvious reason why the Harris campaign didn’t go with that message, which I leave as an exercise for the reader.

Trump voters, more or less, face the same economic issues we do. They just don’t understand them, and they don’t understand why voting for fascism isn’t going to fix those issues. Trying to get them to understand is an excellent and admirable goal. I’m not certain Bernie will succeed, nor do I have the patience to support him in this endeavor any more, but I wish him luck. I also don’t think it will matter anymore, as Republicans have already said they’re ignoring their constituency, and I don’t think we’ll have fair and free elections ever again.

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It was. They didn’t hold their base. Also, they decided to “court” the intolerant, even tho there might be some tolerant, but traditionally Republican, voters.

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Harris: “I’m just like you! I own guns, and I’m scared of all the same things you are. See? I’m on the same side as people leftists hate!”

Leftists: “…wait what?”

Bernie: “Look, we probably disagree on a lot of things. And we’re probably never going to agree on them. But Trump is going to get you hurt, and I want to help even if you’ll never vote for me.”

Now, what are the softer conservatives (non-MAGAs) going to say in response to that? Obviously it remains to be seen; maybe a lot, maybe not much yet. But I bet it’ll help someday.

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Bernie is doing it in a way that doesn’t alienate his base. He’s not pretending to be something he’s not, and is approaching Republican voters with authenticity. He’s not betraying his values or the values of his base. If you can’t see the difference, I’m not sure how to help you.

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-7 points

LOL

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76 points

Bernie is a great speaker. He’s very direct and speaks plainly. It’s effective.

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I love Bernie, but he isn’t effective… hopefully this time he will be, but I don’t see anything he says being shared online

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He’s one person, you can’t change the system without the people being on your side. After the Watergate scandal, and subsequent Regan Nixon resignation and evisceration in the media, fox News showed up.

Between Fox News and all the other misinformation floating around today, the landscape is much different than when people like Martin Luther King Jr. were involved in the civil rights movement.

Basically, it’s easy to lie and sling mud, but much harder to fight with facts when the internet can spread lies at a blistering speed around the world through social media.

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12 points

Regan resignation

Oh man, that’s the timeline I want to live in!

(It was Nixon… but I get the confusion, both were evil fucks)

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We are watching one man change the system without the people. So, I disagree. Bernie just needs to say aloud what we are all thinking.

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7 points

You’re seeing it right now. That’s what we’re doing here

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0 points

Bernie needs 2008 Obama level attention or this isn’t going to mean anything.

And yes, that’s why I am here too. But, our numbers are too small.

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1 point

He won over a crowd of Fox “News” fans.

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0 points

A pig with lipstick could win over that crowd.

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56 points

Could have had two terms of this guy now

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17 points

Two terms with him not looking for a 3rd…

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6 points

Or he wouldve been so wonderful, the people pushed to have him for a third. Roosevelt stayed in so long so we’re not opposed to keeping someone for more then two terms.

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3 points

True but he’s also the reason for the rule.

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36 points

Bernie is right; politics needs to focus on the socioeconomic (“tangible”) difference for the people. Generating income for the people is what’s important.

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He gives us focus on a problem so we can focus on the solutions. This is what populism is supposed to be, someone uniting us under one call to action, one message, and we all link arms and say with one voice that we want a better world.

The problem: wealthy robber-barons have taken over the country and rampant capitalism is undermining literally everything about our society and won’t rest until there’s nothing left to extract from a population.

The solution: https://guillotine.dk/pages/drawings1792.html

edit: the single, stinging downvote reminded me that even mocking threats against our oppressors isn’t “civil” and that if we really want to actually benefit from the wealth we generate for others, we should just sit down, shut up and appreciate the fact that literally everything is going to be a paid-subscription model designed to make sure you don’t keep a dime of your own work and effort. I promise I will be a better servant for the landowners and just work the fields like a good serf.

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Didn’t Trump win because of “the price of eggs”? Seems to me that people are struggling and voting for whatever they think may help them, so there is probably a huge group of people who could be swayed by Bernie, right? One can hope lol

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32 points

Watched his townhall Friday, was pretty much the same he always says, but it’s been the same problems for decades now. So someone has to keep saying it I guess

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Maybe if we keep voting for Republicans and centrist corpo Democrats we’ll finally fix the problems they haven’t been able to fix for decades!

You know what they say: the definition of insanity is trying something and failing so you change tactics!

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6 points

New DNC chair seems halfway decent…

The problem for decades was Obama left the DNC in the hands of bitter neoliberals willing to do anything (including let trump win) to prevent a progressive from making it to the general.

We don’t need a savior running the dnc, just not a villain.

And I don’t think Ken Martin is a villain. So I’m being cautiously optimistic about the party while I can. It might not last long, but I’ll take all the silver linings I can get these days

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Even if the head is halfway decent, clowns like Jefferies, Schumer and Pelosi aren’t going anywhere. I don’t expect to see the DNC do much better than it already is.

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8 points

He looks to be just more of the same to me.

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6 points

The problem for decades was Obama left the DNC in the hands of bitter neoliberals willing to do anything (including let trump win) to prevent a progressive from making it to the general.

This problem is ongoing.

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New DNC chair believes in the party being owned by the “good billionaires” as he calls them.

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I’d argue that we need someone in the dnc leadership chair who can effect a culture change and get them representing people again instead of just donors. Thats a heavy lift that few could handle.

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