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Ontario Premier Doug Ford announced a 25% surcharge on electricity exports to 1.5 million Americans in Minnesota, New York, and Michigan, effective Monday, in response to Trump’s trade war.

The measure will generate CA$300,000-400,000 daily to support Ontario workers and businesses, adding about CA$100 monthly to affected American bills.

Ford threatened further increases or complete shutoff if the US escalates, despite Trump’s one-month tariff reprieve.

This action supplements Canada’s CA$30 billion in federal retaliatory tariffs on various American products.

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Lol holy shit can you imagine if orangeboi pisses the Canadians off so bad that they shut off power exports?

I’m not gonna lie - I think the brownouts and blackouts that’d probably be caused by that would be a fantastic object lesson to a lot of people.

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We have all been hoping the power is turned off. But it looks like there is some pressure from the power people in Canada to not shut of the flow, for both monetary reasons and technical ones.

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Yeah - power infra can be tricky, and big regional systems like that tend to get kinda cranky when you just throw the breaker and drop a large fraction of the load without some pretty careful ramping.

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American GDP per capita: $85,000

Canadian GDP per capita: $55,000

American Natural Resources per capita: $150,000

Canadian Natural Resources per capita: $1.1 million

And America thinks that they have been getting taken advantage of?

Quite frankly it’s about damn time that Canada started moving more high value processing in-house. America has been treating us as a resource colony to siphon wealth from forever.

Time to sign trade deals with absolutely everyone else who will sign them and see how America likes it when their cheap resources start flowing elsewhere. They can fuck right off if they think they’ll win a trade war.

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Krasnov and his cronies made up the lies about being taken advantage of to hide their true motives, driven purely by imperialism. Its a smoke cover.

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Good. We Americans need to learn the lesson that, in fact, we are not, have never been, and cannot be individualists. We are dependent on our neighbors: personally, nationally, and internationally.

We also need to learn that we cannot sustain ourselves by constantly taking: taking from each other, taking from nature, and taking from the future generations. We have become a nation of consumers, not citizens, and that is morally wrong. We expect to take with no consequences, and that’s just not how Earth works.

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An American with self awareness. So glad I left corporate shithole Reddit for this place.

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An American with self awareness.

There’s dozens of us.

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This isn’t directed at you specifically but at anyone who comes across these comments, and I’m including this information here because it directly influenced my initial comment above:

I’ve been doing a lot of listening to indigenous worldview and learning of indigenous values. It has really helped me identify where western civilization and culture has been lacking for millennia, but especially over the last few centuries.

I’ve come to understand that the damage starts when we are young when we learn that nature is an “it” without needs and that we cannot rely on or trust other people. We learn to either dominate or make ourselves small in our daily relationships in order to feel safe when we should be seeing the world and one another as gifts to be explored and shared.

It takes some listening and reflecting to figure out that what you’ve been taught is dangerous. I’m currently trying to figure out how I can learn more of these perspectives and also build a stable and trusting community around me.

I think that’s where we need to do the work to try and undo what’s happening both at the national level and in those who are supporting authoritarianism.

I’ll get off my soapbox now, but I wanted to share in case it resonated with anyone else.

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Just a guess at previous reading material: “Ishmael” and “Story of B” by Daniel Quinn?

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Glad to hear that. Any resources you’d recommend? It sounds like a very level headed way to see things.

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Very well said.

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I just can’t believe that I actually agree with something Ford is doing.

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This is about the only type of thing that the Fords are actually good at - you can give him credit for it without shame.

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And he said if the US retaliated, he will raise it again or full on shut off power if it continues.

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Hopefully, this will force Krasnov Trump to put in more effort to stop americans smuggling drugs and guns into Canada.

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Yep, I am all for Canada calling a national emergency on all the illegal guns and drugs flowing from the US into Canada. And Canada imposing tarrifs on the US until the US stops the flow of illegal guns into Canada and manages their border. Most of our gun crime is done by illegal US guns.

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Hopefully it gets to that point. More than half of the guns that enter Mexico and Canada are from the US. It’s about time America got called out for its cultural shortcoming of valuing gun rights more than its children.

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