Hillary was going to continue Obamas policies, more or less. its purely sexism why both female candidates never won, sprinkled a little racism.
When do I get to collect my payment for being right the entire time?
A vice president isn’t going to publicly break with the sitting president
Been saying this before the election. These comments are wild.
It’s because of the frustration surrounding the elections, and it will take a while for everything to calm down, although Kamala could run for president again if she doesn’t opt for the California governorship.
although Kamala could run for president again if she doesn’t opt for the California governorship.
I wouldn’t put it past leadership to consider this a good idea and forego primaries again.
I would welcome that. It would make it easier for an AOC/Walz ticket to steal Kamala’s thunder. Walz can speak plainly about Kamala, and it wouldn’t be flattering.
Joe Biden publicly broke with Obama when Obama drew a line in the sand on Israel using American weapons in a genocide
Biden publicly and repeatedly told anyone who would listen that Obama was wrong and the only way to work with Israel is giving them everything they ask for…
Are you saying that hurt his chances later when he was handed the presidential nomination after a literal 40 years of losing primaries?
It seems like it’s not about going against the president, it’s about going against neoli eral policy…
I don’t think that had anything to do with it.
But it completely blows out the neoliberal defense of
VPs have no autonomy!
Anyone that honestly knows about our recent political history knows what Biden did back then, but they’re like Republicans. They don’t think logically and come to a conclusion.
They say whatever needs said in the moment to make their “team” sound the best.
They’re fucking shady cars salesmen essentially.
Why not?
I mean, I know she wouldn’t. But seriously, think about it, why not? People wanted her to, so why not? People don’t want milquetoast policy changes that improve such and such by 2%, they want a hero, so why not? People don’t want palestinians to die, so why not?
She was either: an awful candidate because she wouldn’t promise anything, or, an awful candidate because she couldn’t promise anything.
And yeah, I wanted her to win, but the problems that fucked the last election up still plague the party. If they don’t learn, we’re all going straight to Trump’s gulag.
Every answer they have for “Why not?” will be “the status quo that is completely made up by the politcal establishment and lobbyists say so.”
Biden was unpopular, him dropping out and apointing Harris was a massive spike in the polls. I was personally excited for the shake up. Mad at the fact it was after the primaries so we didn’t have time to democratically pick someone for the democrat party when democracy is at stake, but she was a new face, with probably new ideas.
It took her a while to get a policy on her website. Weeks, even. While Project 2025 had been workshopped for god knows how long and then made part of Trump’s promises since day one of his run. And she just said “I stand with him on everything. Every issue, I agree with.” And some small changes like “I will give $100K to new homeowners” like that meant something for the majority of people who can never ever own a home in America.
And then Tim Waltz was picked. Progressive, had a good run as governor. Not perfect from his treatment of BLM protestors, but overall a solid pick. Waltz got the Republicans bothered with the weird comments. It worked. And then they just… stopped using the one trick that worked.
And then instead of going for their usual base of working class folks, the minorities who have voted for him because the other side is “We Will Deport and Kill All Of You”, they went “Let’s try to win the unicorn voters of disenfranchised Republicans who will vote for a Democrat!” The fucking Chaneys, the family who organized the largest, longest, deadliest, costliest wars America has had in the 21st century were chosen as sane and reasonable people.
Harris said “We’ll have the most powerful military if I’m elected! I will not underfund it! I will have strong border polices on the Mexican border! I will follow the law of red states on the polices of trans students!” Just copying republican talking points like it was a shoe-in.
All it did was alienate the voter base of the people who vote Democrat because they aren’t Republican, and the brainwashed Trump supporters would never vote for a Democrat simply because of nearly 30 years of brainwashing by Fox News, Glen Beck, and Rush Limbaugh, followed by Tim Pool, Charlie Kirk, Joe Rogan, and whatever conservative of the year has a podcast/youtube show.
And we were called crazy and insane for noticing any of this. Comments removed on Reddit and Lemmy. Called Russian bots on Twitter and Mastodon. Called single issue voters who hate the idea of compromise. And we were right! And they still laugh at us for being right, thinking that because Trump sucks, it means we were wrong for pointing out the flaws of a bad canidate.
I am wondering if the mods of news@lemmy.world and politics@lemmy.world regret censoring the people who rightfully said these things and it would cost us the election. Like there’s mods in here who go “yeah that sucks, I knew it.” but also just defended Biden/Harris and removed good faith users who posted citations that even their beloved Media Bias Bot said was a good source.
They did it, banned the people who said it, and then people went “where are all those critics now? i guess putin turned them off! hurr hurr haw haw!”
Genuinely wonder if they question their choices of just doing this for free with literally zero benefit to their website and the country as a whole.
Genuinely wonder if they question their choices of just doing this for free with literally zero benefit to their website and the country as a whole.
No, they dig their head in the sand and continue to play stupid. If they ever actually acknowledged reality they’d feel bad, so that’s not gonna happen
Just posting to remind/inform new users there’s been repeated drama with .world policies and mod/admin team in that past. It caused a lot of people to spread to smaller, more varied instances. Which is actually a good thing.
I just started and still don’t understand this lemmy. I thought one of the perks was being able to interact on any server despite which one holds your account.
I am wondering if the mods of news@lemmy.world and politics@lemmy.world regret censoring the people who rightfully said these things
Probably still thinking “This is just a Russian disinfo campaign to smeer the libs!”
I assume so, as that’s the motto of any criticism.
A mod recently got mad a @return2ozma@lemmy.world for “going back to his roots” by posting actual criticism of the Democrats.
And I asked him “So is Obama just barred from commenting on them, despite being right the entire time?”
Mod responded “he spammed it”. I asked “Microwave posts about 20 posts a day about the same topics, why do they get a pass?” And I never got an answer.
I think flat.world is basically .ml for liberals.
Her position regarding Palestine and Israel cost her the election. Many Dems could not vote for her, so they didn’t vote.
I’d really love for that to be the case (enough people caring about genocide to decide an election), but it just isn’t. The data shows that people on the left still came out to vote and she lost a bunch of centrist votes or people who are seen as “low information”/unmotivated voters. Those people don’t care about Palestine. They thought she was weird, or a DEI candidate, or just weren’t inspired to get up and vote for her. I’m not saying she needs to go more centrist, but people like populism and she just didn’t do it.
There have been multiple reports on this issue indicating that you’re wrong and the previous claim was correct. But nobody knows for sure. If she had flipped positions, perhaps some people would have been turned off and they would have called her a flip-flopper.
And obviously there were many other reasons that she lost. We don’t get to blame it on just one.
That used to be my belief until I saw reports to the contrary. I believe you can see in my comment history right after the election saying that Gaza was a big contributor, but basically all the analysis I’ve seen since points to that not being true, so I’ve changed my tune. Would love to see what you’re looking at for numbers/polls.
I can’t remember the source, but the number 1 issue in every swing state other than Michigan (which had Palestine as its #1) among democrat nonvoters and centrists who voted republican was grocery prices. Most of those states had inflation as their number 2 issue and Palestine as the third. Palestine alone wouldn’t have been enough to swing any state other than Michigan.
I think its pretty clear that the primary reason Kamala lost because she didn’t present a vision for the economy. She literally just said that the economy is fine. Inflation and grocery prices? Ignore those!
Inflation maybe shouldn’t have been as big of an issue since it was below 3% and on its way down but it was still a concern for a large number of voters.
I agree for the most part, but she did have some milquetoast neolib proposals that would have helped. Mostly things already seen in one form or another in Bidens build back better plan, but honestly it didn’t matter. Her rhetoric was weak and her campaign was poorly managed. I saw SOOOO many ads requesting donations (lady, I don’t have money to buy eggs and you’re buying ad space, the optics are bad) and not one of them said anything of substance. I say time and again that Bernie got people to donate time and money they didn’t have because they believed in his message. Kamala had no message. She had some plans, sure, but did not effectively communicate them. They were too little too late regardless, but it felt like her ads were lazy cash grabs that couldn’t even be bothered to give out empty promises.
If you believe that you are a moron. It is much more likely that people couldn’t find “Kamala” on the ballot instead of “Harris” rather than making an in-depth analysis of foreign policy of a war taking place somewhere 99% of the us populace couldn’t pinpoint on a globe.
If a person was so very pearl-clutching to think of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians to decide their US presidential vote, and then to vote for Trump or not vote at all, frankly that cohort deserves to be first against the wall.
