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It’s pretty much impossible for something to implode in space. You’re already in a vacuum so there is no ambient pressure to press on an object.

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Don’t ruin it for me.

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Don’t listen to him, I have a Miele vacuum and there’s loads of pressure in it

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1 point

Poor man’s Robosuck?

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59 points

It can however explode, since there’s more pressure on the inside.

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42 points

I guess that’s okay… I guess…

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It’s pretty disgusting to hope that people die just because they are rich. In the real world, that makes you just a trashy edgelord. On Lemmy or Reddit I’m sure you’ll have a positive balance of updoots though.

You could for example, wish the rich people would donate large sums of their fortune to help the needy, instead of wishing that they die.

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20 points

Not because they’re rich, because they waste their money on this sort of thing rather than using it to do anything helpful.

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They used that one already, all promising to give away most their fortune but mysteriously are all richer than they ever have been…

I don’t really wish them death though, there was a chap with a much better idea actually - he helped the former emperor of his country to learn the importance of hard work and community spirit which allowed him to live happily as a garder.

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It’s hardwired in humans or even just all primates. We’re sensitive for relative differences in earnings and wealth and will react rather violently when certain limits are exceeded.

It’s why there were debt jubilees, noblesse oblige or even just high taxes on big income, but modern rich feel this does not apply to them anymore.

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There’s absolutely no way a space hotel will be operational in 2027.

But it’s more likely than public healthcare in the USA in 2027.

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44 points

If some idiot breaks every rule like with the submarine, maybe they’ll get one up there. And then kill everyone in it.

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8 points

Can we send Musk?

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9 points

He wants to go to Mars. Hopefully he will stay there. And run out of air.

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23 points

Since it’s going to be rich clowns that make the trip up there, I’m fine with both happening.

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We could get one of those big wine presses, dress it up like a rocket and put the ultra rich on there ‘ok everyone hold on tight, you’ll be blasting off to that super exclusive space hotel as soon as soon as you press that big red button…’

We can spend the remaining money on public services and social infrastructure.

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3 points

This will inevitably happen one day, and yeah it could happen for 2027 I guess.

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28 points

They can get their nephew who’s good at the “space games” to pilot the ship too!

Cheap bastards won’t even chip in for a decent HOTAS or a hall effect modded elite controller I bet.

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I would not trust a vanilla ksp player to pilot a rocket, an RSS/RO/Principia player on the other hand

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50 points

I mean maybe some billionaire will convince (pay) NASA to dock some capsule with a sleeping bag to the ISS and other billionaires can go sleep in that sleeping bag. It is technically a hotel, but it will definitively not be like in the picture…

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you can already make the argument that both things could be cool and good

charge 1 billion and put it into healthcare

but that aint going happen everyone in America knows that

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10 points

How many seats do democrats need to make a singlepayer option without Republican help?

Supermajority in both Senate and House?

Genuine question, I’m not overly familiar with the nitpicks.

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Majority in House, supermajority of 60 in the Senate, practically speaking.

PROBLEM:

Not all Democrats are onboard with universal healthcare. Hence the fiasco in 2009.

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It takes a lot of effort and nuance to pass a good idea. It only takes one shithead (republican) flinging poop to muddy the waters, so it’s incredibly hard to pass good legislation.

You need like 65 Democrats to even have a chance, but that will be very hard since R voters are dumb as bricks and if Trump didn’t wake them up to their stupidity, nothing will.

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Personally I disagree, I think the Liebercrats have mostly died off, the tenor of the debate within the modern democratic party has almost completely become “just a public option or complete wipeout of private medicine?”

Personally I think the best first step is just removing the age floor on Medicare. You’re eligible soon as ya come out the womb. The only other change you’d need to make immediately is mandating that doctors accept it if they want to remain licensed to practice.

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I don’t know, but first they need a leader who’s actually interested in singlepayer in the first place.

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7 points

Biden has consistently shown himself willing to change his position on almost any matter as long as his colleagues and constituents show it too.

2008 had a lot regular Democrats spooked about big bad single payer. With younger representatives he’d definitely be on board when the will starts showing.

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6 points

They had it for about 50 days in 2009.

That’s when we got the ACA.

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Which is Romneycare.

They had a supermajority and they still wouldn’t do anything but pass a Republican bill.

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Bare minimum 60 in the Senate and 218 in the house, a long with a president that supports it. But given that many Democrats take money from health insurance companies and have a vested interest in stopping universal healthcare, you’d probably need a supermajority (2/3) in both houses to pass it, as some Dems will inevitably vote against it.

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Obama could have gotten it done if Dems had the willpower in that short window. They’ll get another chance at some point. Will they jump on it next time? I’m not sure. Some of them are taking that same billionaire money.

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Nope, even conservativer Dems than the one we wrangle over today refused to get on board with the filibuster proof majority so long as the public option was still included

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4 points

USA healthcare is dying at your machine right after telling a co-worker you’re “gonna give it another day or two.”

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15 points

I saw this episode of For All Mankind already. It doesn’t go well for the hotel.

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69 points

The solution is so simple. Vote overwhelming for progressive, and get rid of the centrists and Republicans.

We’d have free, universal healthcare within a couple of years.

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First you need overwhelming numbers to join the Democrat party to make sure a progressive candidate gets leadership of the party. Otherwise it will just be Hillary Clintons beating out Bernie Sanders every time.

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4 points

For real for real, the sheer level of conspiracism and explaining away the fact that Boomers will actually go out and fucking vote.

It can’t be that the people who disagree with them go out and do the one “praxis” they have to be dragged out kicking and screaming to do even for the guy they claim to support, no, clearly the DNC is responsible for Bernie losing a race he got less votes in!

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Well, the DNC absolutely kneecapped Bernie when he was running against Hillary. I mean, we literally have the emails to prove it.

Against Biden, the issue wasn’t the DNC as much as it was Elizabeth Warren refusing to consolidate the liberals behind Bernie as the moderates consolidated behind Biden. The final nail in the coffin was the prominent black leader who thew his support to Biden and handed him a critical victory in one of the southern states. This always annoyed me deeply, because Bernie was literally out there getting arrested to fight for their civil rights while Biden was on the wrong side of the busing civil rights issue.

Oh well. At least Bernie dragged Biden much farther left than he would have been.

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3 points

Well… At this point boomers will soon be losing their death grip in the party because of attrition. They’re getting old. Millennials will soon outnumber them in terms of likely voters.

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I don’t think it’s a generational thing. Whatever corruption kept Biden from doing single payer healthcare will also stop younger presidents from doing it.

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8 points

Simple isn’t always easy.

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18 points

Assuming USA, it unfortunately means doing this in the primaries. Good luck getting people to show up to those and vote progressive.

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Tell me about it. We could have had Bernie.

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Bernie was a beneficiary of the DNC fuckery. They wanted an “unhinged commie” to scare the base into line behind Hillary.

The reality is America won’t go actually progressive until the world is dead.

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The country founded on genocide because the UK didn’t want them doing slavery is never going to allow that to happen.

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I mean, I think it could actually be a good thing to drive innovation in space travel.

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Sure, we’ll need to escape earth eventually anyway to avoid the looming extinction event.

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Even given all likely extinction events, earth is still less hostile to human life than anywhere else we know of.

Even after some full scale nuclear war, I think you’re still better off here.

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I’ll take my chances in space thanks.

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Has someone been watching SFIA?

Yeah, in most situations you’d be correct. Short of the entire biosphere getting vaporized(basically only possible from a rouge asteroid or from a superweapon like a nichro-dyson beam), Earth will always be more hospitable than almost any other body in space.

The exception to that is that you can make habitats that are custom-tailored for life. If defense is your goal, in theory you can shield an o-neill cylinder from anything except black holes and neutrino beams(possibly dark energy beams as well, I don’t know). Unlike Earth, which would be very difficult to shield from a relativistic kill missile, unless they are less than a couple light-hours away, you can simply slightly alter your course randomly and that will prevent any targeted weapon from being able to hit you.

Guided weapons can be taken out by the fact that they have to be slower and have much more complex machinery. A simple perimeter defense machine gun(which you will have anyways for macro-meteorite removal) should be enough to take out the guidance systems.

That pretty much only leaves area attack weapons. You’d have to custom tailor your defense to each type of weapon, but I can’t think of any you couldn’t defend against. For example:

Biological weapons are no threat, your atmosphere and water systems are scrubbed anyways.

Massive nuclear bombs are most harmful due to their radiation and magnetic fields in space. But you’re likely to have your habitat surrounded by your water supply to shield from cosmic rays. The magnetic field can be removed as an issue by having the hull made of superconducting material, as space is cold enough to keep several current superconductors operational.

Psychological weapons can be avoided because your entire station is a faraday cage, your enemy has no way to propagate information you don’t want inside it.

But if we wrecked Earths environment, doesn’t that mean we’d have the same issues there? No, not really. Your station can much more easily be climate controlled. Excess CO2 can be scrubbed for fertilizer and air, or just jettisoned from the station. Heat management is as simple as controlling the stations albedo and available surface area for radiation.

Keeping a space station running is way easier than keeping all of earth running. Even when scaled up to the size of Earth, it’s wildly unlikely you will be dealing with fossil fuels on the scale Earth is. The biggest issue on the station will be biodiversity and food chain mangement. We don’t know how a ton of vital critters react to space or differential gravity, so it’s pretty likely we will have to alter species to adapt them to the station. My personal favorite examples are spidercrabs that magnetically walk around the outside hull in the vacuum of space in order to repair the hull. My second favorite is wifi-bees that use the same algorithm as your Roomba to methodically pollinate all the flowers. My least favorite is the flesh eating bacteria that we will have to make to deal with all the dead biomass.

Edit:also you can’t defend against vacuum decay unless you are willing/able to wrap your station in dark energy. But if you can do that, you can protect against any weapon, flat out. Because that allows you to causally disconnect yourself from the rest of the universe, basically like a pocket dimension.

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Exactly. The better we get at launching into space and making habitats, the sooner we can escape.

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If we were any good at making habitats we wouldn’t have these problems in the first place.

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