Summary

Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez condemned Donald Trump and Elon Musk at a packed Arizona rally, accusing them of harming working-class Americans and promoting oligarchy.

Sanders denounced corporate CEOs as “major criminals” exploiting workers, while Ocasio-Cortez called for stronger Democratic leadership.

Rallygoers urged Ocasio-Cortez to challenge Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer after he supported a Republican funding bill.

The rally, part of Sanders’ “Stop Oligarchy” tour, follows criticism of the Democratic Party’s weak response to Trump’s agenda and features further events in Colorado and Arizona.

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Make Bernie Minority Leader already PETITION: https://www.change.org/p/bernie-sanders-for-senate-minority-leader

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I was there. It was awesome seeing so many people. I prefer Mutualism over Democratic Socialism, but like AOC said there, “no matter if you disagree with me on a few things, if you are willing to fight for someone you don’t know, you are welcome here.”

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I’ve even been telling my friend group that now’s not the year to criticize tankies so long as they’re fighting fascists

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I’ll oppose authoritarianism no matter what the flavor is.

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Been watching an Infographics Show video on YouTube about Mao Tse Tung’s horrible consequences, but the thing was that he resembled Trump MUCH MORE than he did Bernie.

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Sure, and absolutely, but like, threat assessment

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Thanks. I needed a rally to know that. So what’s the plan to stop this screw over without relying on the people to be cannon fodder and resort to violence? More rallies and fund raisers for the party of the meek and moral victories? Bit of /s in there.

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Grassroots Organization. Spread the word about upcoming fed and state elections. Bring the truth to light and tell it to everyone.

Research the names of companies that have donated to Heritage Foundation, Trump, and Republican party.

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There is none. Bernie has passed the torch to AOC whose politics are subordinate to the democrats.

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it is about time. i am willing to be cannon fodder and start standing in front of tanks. let’s shut down the ICE facilities

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No, you are so right, why have rallies at all, when we can just let everyone think they are alone in their opposition to fascism. What’s the point of letting the media and politicians know the current administration does NOT have a mandate.

Rallies unite and focus people. People meet at these rallies, become friends, form groups, etc.

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You can unite, focus, make friends, form groups at the peaceful protests going on right now. The people are doing something. The perception I am getting is two people already in positions of influence trying to make changes, making money hand over fist doing these things, and getting screwed again by people like Schumer and Pelosi. Heart’s in the right place, method needs to change.

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Why not both? We need to be hitting the road running from as many angles as we can to get people mobilized.

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Can you point me to where they are making money? Or just a general all politicians are making money deal. Cause for sure on that.

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I love how Trumps gets some of these folks all riled up and by just acting normally.

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This is that usual gaslighting rhetoric from the right. Someone reminded of the Sartre quote about anti-semites recently. It’s so applicable to how the right twists facts and makes absurd over-generalizations. It’s the epitome of acting in bad faith.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

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7 points

Lol, caring about anything but money and power is so cringe, amirite? Imagine caring about libraries, museums, and people living their final years in dignity. Couldn’t be me.

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4 points

They don’t like being screwed like you do. What has that man done to make your life better?

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Jesus, if Trump’s behavior is normal to you, you must have a lot of childhood trauma to unpack. I’m so sorry for whatever you went through. Have you considered therapy?

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TBF normal for tmurp is refusing rental applications from people based on race and making unsolicited unwelcome physical advances on women while claiming to be a victim of descrimination.

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I really hope this “AOC takes over the Democratic Party and saves America” arc has a happy ending

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She’s a young, outspoken woman of color. Old white people would never let it happen, even if half are in a nursing home mainlining Fox News straight into their frontal cortex and can barely walk on their own.

A lot of folk are still recovering from Obama being elected twice.

At least Bernie looks familiar to them, so the hatred will be tampered.

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Actually the groups that swung the election for Trump were young men (HUGE swing), and immigrants (despite voting against their own interests and pulling the ladder up behind them for future immigration).

Senior men were more likely to vote for Kamala than young men.

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Not really. There wasn’t a huge swing of people switching from Democrats or independents to vote for Trump. Those target groups just decided not to vote. In other words, it’s not like more people are relating to Trump’s messages, but it’s people not relating with either’s message and feeling apathetic. This is why Trump bashing isn’t helping. There needs to be genuine improvement of the Democratic party itself.

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Immigrants did still vote for Kamala as a majority (55%).

I wasn’t aware of the massive jump Trump had achieved with young men. Looks like it was especially true with young white men, with nearly two thirds voting for Trump. Less than 30% of young men from other racial demographics voted for Trump with the exception of Latinos (45%).

Overall the biggest jumps were with Latinos and young white men but he saw an increase in nearly of every demographic except older white people with whom he has historically had majority support.

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We gotta figure out how to De-Tate people

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The powers and process screwed over Bernie in 2016. It would have unquestionably been a clear victory over orange circus clown. He would have been one of the greatest leaders in the 21st century. Now he’s too old, even though the fire is still in him. But we do know now that America hates women, especially of colour, for leaders. AOC wouldn’t have a chance until a huge social upheaval to change such attitudes and core hatred has occurred, possibly the Civil War 2/WW3.

Just like how past world wars created the world we live in today. Before WW1, before men of all social classes bled together in the trenches of Europe it was quite a different attitude regarding the rights of people and classes compared to after the event. The schools of fascism and communism was very enticing to populations after such a wanton and colossal loss of life by poor leadership on the battlefields.

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Clinton and Harris didn’t lose because they were women. They lost because their campaigns were broken.

Harris was sabotaged by Biden trying to cling to power despite not being fit for the job anymore and Clinton thought she had such a guaranteed win she didn’t even bother to try to counter her image as the career politician that was everything wrong with government at the time. They would have both still lost even if they were old rich white men.

And, before you say it, Biden only won because of the pandemic. If people hadn’t been dying in droves at the time, we would have already finished with Trump’s second term by now.

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a sanders/occasio-cortez ticket would work, and basically be a coronation for her, if we can do enough work to still have elections in four years.

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I unfortunately have to agree with you. With how the Harris election results went, i don’t think people are ready for a woman president, let alone a brown one. The median American is too stupid, racist, and sexist.

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Maybe, people also didn’t want a neolib candidate who had no populist appeal. She didn’t acknowledge legitimate grievances of the voters. The Democrat party should’ve held primaries, but they just put Harris in at the end. There’s many factors beyond sexism.

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I think this is not the right conclusion to draw from Harris and Clinton lost to Trump. They were both right-center Dems with lots of anti-left positions. Clinton voted to attack Iraq even though we all knew there were no WMDs and had been a polarizing figure for decades, she was not a good candidate. Neither was Harris, she was corporate, didn’t condemn the genocide in Israel, and courted the Cheney vote. That isn’t how to get the left to turn out. Neither had a good platform. Mitt Romney lost and so did John McCain and John Kerry I don’t hear anyone condemning Mormons or veterans being losing classes of candidates.

A principled woman who isn’t a corporate shill or pro-genocide is completely different. Our system is broken, pretending a little adjusting of the regulations or pretending the other side is acting in good faith and being gracious is clearly a losing strategy.

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Sad but true. DNC thought they had it in the bag with Kamala to the Hispanic group. Did they? Nope! A lot of voters didn’t want a female leader. Mexico is doing better than US currently when comes to leadership and voters.

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