Summary
Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez condemned Donald Trump and Elon Musk at a packed Arizona rally, accusing them of harming working-class Americans and promoting oligarchy.
Sanders denounced corporate CEOs as “major criminals” exploiting workers, while Ocasio-Cortez called for stronger Democratic leadership.
Rallygoers urged Ocasio-Cortez to challenge Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer after he supported a Republican funding bill.
The rally, part of Sanders’ “Stop Oligarchy” tour, follows criticism of the Democratic Party’s weak response to Trump’s agenda and features further events in Colorado and Arizona.
I wish you Americans would deal with this crap before I end up getting drafted to defend my country from the orange porcine dementia patient.
Seriously. One of the most conservative old guys at my running club yesterday said, and I quote, “someone needs to kill Donald Trump and Elon Musk.” And I live in Alberta.
We are absolutely done with the US’s bullshit up here guys. Fucking do something. If one more of you cowards tries to tell me you’re going to vote harder in the primaries or some other stupid limp dick excuse, I swear to god man. Our lives and sovereignty are being threatened here. For the love of god do something actually useful for once in your lives.
You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after every other option has been exhausted first.
I hear you, brother. I’m in Alberta too, but never been interested in guns; I’m waiting for my PAL to be approved as we speak. My parents and in-laws are terrified and upset about their grandkids potential futures. I’m talking to them daily to try to calm them down. We’re angry all the time, and now filling with anxiety about the upcoming election, because we all see the lies and bullshit tied to money, power, and ignorance starting…
Good luck, it’s been 280 days since I put in for my renewal and it’s still apparently only passes the initial review. Called about 4 times now, no help at all. Maybe the AB CFO will be a bit better for time.
A lot of my Albertan coworkers are still reciting the conservative propaganda and sound bites. There really is no hope for them as they are willingly obtuse…
I’ve got a friend in Quebec that told me that they’d “wish Trump would hurry up already and make Canada the 51st state.” I also know a Canadian trucker that joined the line during that trucker protest over…whatever it was they thought they were protesting.
I was in Düsseldorf recently and met a UK resident (fluent in German) who was nuts for Musk.
It’s a problem that has spread to many other countries. In fact, I’d argue that right wing populism is all part of the same swing and it’s only the most cartoonishly evil in America.
I swear to god man.
You swear to do what? What are you gonna do about it if we don’t get rid of Trump? If we don’t engage in large-scale riots and die so Canadians are safe? How about YOU do something? The best way to deal with an aggressive neighbor (geopolitically speaking) is invading them to enact regime change or just genocide the people there. Go on. Do it. Put your money where your mouth is and start walking across that border with a weapon in your hand. Once you win you can impose whatever government you want here.
That’s the problem with “Someone should kill Trump and Elon Musk”. The “Someone” part, which translates to “anybody but me I just want to continue being lazy and comfortable”.
I’m glad you somehow still managed to blame people in OTHER COUNTRIES for YOUR mistake.
Honestly, fuck off. Most of us didn’t want this shit. Stop victim blaming.
Honestly, fuck you. You don’t understand what it is to be threatened with invasion from the greatest military power of all time.
Except our country did. He won the popular vote and those who stayed home meant they were fine with him winning.
Just don’t comfort these assholes when they finally regret their decision.
buddy if its such an issue for you no ones stopping you from driving down and doing whatever it is you expect others to do for you yourself
I am preparing, in my country. Fix your own damn bullshit because it is bleeding into me and my loved ones and countrymen’s lives and livelihoods.
What do you suggest Americans do? Say someone is a working class American who didn’t vote for Trump. They can barely make ends meet and have no power or political sway. What does that person do? I’m not trying to be funny, I’m simply interested in your take and perspective as a non-American.
I saw something recently that was talking about how individualism has led us to this situation. Everyone is thinking what they can do. We lost our collectivist spirit. We don’t think about what we can do.
An individual has essentially no power. A group does. We need to get better at organizing. This is made hard because we are so separated from each other, driving individually to work, then back home, largely to houses where you don’t interact with anyone else. We have basically no third places anymore where you’d typically organize. This situation was designed, and it’s going to be hard to get out of, but we need to get better at forming groups and organizing.
This situation was designed, and it’s going to be hard to get out of, but we need to get better at forming groups and organizing.
Nothing can be fixed until it’s understood to be a problem, and AOC from her stump speeches and emails seems to at least recognize the problem you’re pointing that American systems are essentially “massively scaled up isolation from others”.
Rugged individualism has failed us. It’s going to take a reclamation of collectivism to fix our problems.
They are powerless if everyone stops giving them power
The country is nothing without its workers
Of 10-20% of the population actively protested and actively tried to halt any functioning of society, you’d be surprised at how much you could get done. A that large mass of people is absolutely hell to control and subdue, and they certainly cannot arrest even a significant fraction of them. If the threat of protests of that scale were real every time they tried some fuckery, they would give in very quickly
The problem is that almost everyone thinks like you say, “what am I to do? I’m powerless”, and give up before even trying
I’d love leaderless movements to have a better track record than they do, but the reality is that I think they fail much more often than they succeed in this country.
People can’t just quit their jobs and occupy wall street forever.
And while we’re at it, why don’t people in China have the freedom to speak out against their government and not have censorship? Maybe if they all just got together in a big public square and really protested, I bet that would end really well.
I mean, if they all did it, it absolutely would make shit happen
The whole issue stems from most people wanting to just keep their heads down
China never really had functioning democracy to begin with, so this comparison doesn’t really apply. The point is to rise up before it gets as bad as in China.
What do you suggest Americans do?
You’d know more than someone outside of the US.
Face it. Your blaming dirt farming peasants that John the bastard is going to crusade your lands.
There’s literally nothing we can do about it besides die as well in most cases.
The British empire was brought to its knees by normal patriots to form the country you’re making excuses not to defend. Coward.
That is such a gross and fundamental misunderstanding of the Revolutionary War it’s almost comical. Probably most important to note is that the Revolution was bankrolled by U.S. oligarchs, and we received a lot of help.
So what are you going to do about it? Because up here right now I personally am having to do shit like teach my parents and wife how to shoot guns, having to hoard canned goods and encourage others to do the same, having to comfort my elderly grandmother who is scared as shit about this and letting her know I have plans to protect her in the event of an American invasion. Because of your country. And I’m really fucking angry about it.
I’m a trans woman living in Texas. How do you think I feel? No one’s having a good time right now, buddy. I fully anticipate that I will be dead or in a concentration camp within one or two years because, as of right now, I have no way to escape and I’m still working on trying to find groups to organize with.
As far as I’m concerned, my days are numbered.
I have no future.
At least there’s a chance that they’ll get distracted by some shiny new thing and won’t invade Canada.
No one’s having a good time right now.
I’m also Canadian and I am also mad. I’m buying a gun and learning to shoot it. I’m working on custom fpv drones in my free time. I’m using my chemistry degree to com up with potential explosives. This is not me. I wanted to have a life heavy involved in tech l, but I can’t do that anymore.
So many children have been sacrificed for their second amendment rights and now just silence. Absolutely disgusting.
The destruction of teslas is pretty much the Boston tea party part 2 electric boogaloo. Seems like most people would let the British fuck them up forever if they were alive back then.
I really hope this “AOC takes over the Democratic Party and saves America” arc has a happy ending
She’s a young, outspoken woman of color. Old white people would never let it happen, even if half are in a nursing home mainlining Fox News straight into their frontal cortex and can barely walk on their own.
A lot of folk are still recovering from Obama being elected twice.
At least Bernie looks familiar to them, so the hatred will be tampered.
Actually the groups that swung the election for Trump were young men (HUGE swing), and immigrants (despite voting against their own interests and pulling the ladder up behind them for future immigration).
Senior men were more likely to vote for Kamala than young men.
Not really. There wasn’t a huge swing of people switching from Democrats or independents to vote for Trump. Those target groups just decided not to vote. In other words, it’s not like more people are relating to Trump’s messages, but it’s people not relating with either’s message and feeling apathetic. This is why Trump bashing isn’t helping. There needs to be genuine improvement of the Democratic party itself.
Immigrants did still vote for Kamala as a majority (55%).
I wasn’t aware of the massive jump Trump had achieved with young men. Looks like it was especially true with young white men, with nearly two thirds voting for Trump. Less than 30% of young men from other racial demographics voted for Trump with the exception of Latinos (45%).
Overall the biggest jumps were with Latinos and young white men but he saw an increase in nearly of every demographic except older white people with whom he has historically had majority support.
The powers and process screwed over Bernie in 2016. It would have unquestionably been a clear victory over orange circus clown. He would have been one of the greatest leaders in the 21st century. Now he’s too old, even though the fire is still in him. But we do know now that America hates women, especially of colour, for leaders. AOC wouldn’t have a chance until a huge social upheaval to change such attitudes and core hatred has occurred, possibly the Civil War 2/WW3.
Just like how past world wars created the world we live in today. Before WW1, before men of all social classes bled together in the trenches of Europe it was quite a different attitude regarding the rights of people and classes compared to after the event. The schools of fascism and communism was very enticing to populations after such a wanton and colossal loss of life by poor leadership on the battlefields.
Clinton and Harris didn’t lose because they were women. They lost because their campaigns were broken.
Harris was sabotaged by Biden trying to cling to power despite not being fit for the job anymore and Clinton thought she had such a guaranteed win she didn’t even bother to try to counter her image as the career politician that was everything wrong with government at the time. They would have both still lost even if they were old rich white men.
And, before you say it, Biden only won because of the pandemic. If people hadn’t been dying in droves at the time, we would have already finished with Trump’s second term by now.
a sanders/occasio-cortez ticket would work, and basically be a coronation for her, if we can do enough work to still have elections in four years.
I unfortunately have to agree with you. With how the Harris election results went, i don’t think people are ready for a woman president, let alone a brown one. The median American is too stupid, racist, and sexist.
I think this is not the right conclusion to draw from Harris and Clinton lost to Trump. They were both right-center Dems with lots of anti-left positions. Clinton voted to attack Iraq even though we all knew there were no WMDs and had been a polarizing figure for decades, she was not a good candidate. Neither was Harris, she was corporate, didn’t condemn the genocide in Israel, and courted the Cheney vote. That isn’t how to get the left to turn out. Neither had a good platform. Mitt Romney lost and so did John McCain and John Kerry I don’t hear anyone condemning Mormons or veterans being losing classes of candidates.
A principled woman who isn’t a corporate shill or pro-genocide is completely different. Our system is broken, pretending a little adjusting of the regulations or pretending the other side is acting in good faith and being gracious is clearly a losing strategy.
This is some actual leadership looks like. It’s not something that commes around every 4 years around election time trying to triangulate a voting block.
Save your praise until they actually win some victories. Marches and rallies are a good start, but they don’t necessarily translate into political action. Remember the women’s marches in 2017? The largest single day protest in American history and it did exactly two things: jack and shit. People went out, waved signs, went home, and Trump flipped three court seats and ended Roe.
Bernie in particular has always been great at turning out a crowd, but he’s never been able to turn that into political or legislative victories.
Ok so 4 years from now, when the major complaint has been gathering support only happens during election time…
Right. Now is the right time to start.
But it’s too soon to tell if that effort will accomplish anything, because the effort has to be sustained through 2026 and 2028.
And the people showing up waving signs have to become politically active - not just showing up and going home, but writing their congresspeople and boycotting companies and knocking on doors to get out the vote and so on and so forth. Bernie and AOC can stump all they want. If they don’t inspire people to act it means nothing.
The Democrats need a grassroots movement - as angry and passionate and hopeful as the Tea Party was - not just speeches by celebrity pols. It’s too early to tell if liberal citizen voters will accept their responsibility to build that movement.
I was there. It was awesome seeing so many people. I prefer Mutualism over Democratic Socialism, but like AOC said there, “no matter if you disagree with me on a few things, if you are willing to fight for someone you don’t know, you are welcome here.”
I’ve even been telling my friend group that now’s not the year to criticize tankies so long as they’re fighting fascists
AOC 2028
Fr let’s go. We cant wait until 2028. AOC president and Bernie vice president (or something like that)? Would be a dream come true…
