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they only think coconuts floated over on their own 500 years ago because austronesians are supernaturally invisible to white people

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Did austronesians reach the carribean? I thought they made it to madagascar and hawaii, but not the carribean.

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Bingo. I thought this was interesting and went looking for more information and its fake. They were brought to other parts of the world, first by austronesians and later by European sailors.

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Someone in this thread needs to say who austronesians are

Edit:

The Austronesian peoples, sometimes referred to as Austronesian-speaking peoples, are a large group of peoples who have settled in Taiwan, maritime Southeast Asia, parts of mainland Southeast Asia, Micronesia, coastal New Guinea, Island Melanesia, Polynesia, and Madagascar that speak Austronesian languages. They also include indigenous ethnic minorities in Vietnam, Cambodia, Myanmar, Thailand, Hainan, the Comoros, and the Torres Strait Islands. The nations and territories predominantly populated by Austronesian-speaking peoples are sometimes known collectively as Austronesia.

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Makes a lot more sense than ASTROnesians, as spelled above, which makes them sound like aliens. Which is silly, because everyone knows aliens only land in either densely populated metropolitan areas (NYC, Tokyo, etc) or in the desert near Area 51.

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They’re basically the proto Pacific Islanders. It’s believed that their civilizations all trace back to a group of people from the island of Taiwan/Formosa, who learned how to sail over the deep ocean and set up new communities, bringing chickens, pigs, taro, coconuts.

They settled modern day Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, as far west as Madagascar, to Melanesia, Micronesia, and Polynesia, and most of the other Pacific Islands, as far east as Easter Island. Native Hawaiians, Samoans, Guamese, etc., are all Austronesian. Most ethnic groups considered native to these islands trace back to Austronesian expansion.

There are shared linguistic and cultural ties that showed that they had recent comment ancestry, that has since been confirmed by DNA genealogy.

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Caribbean from Asia? did they take the Panama Canal 400 years before it was built? there is not path that isn’t crazy

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I assumed one finally got lucky and got around the southern tip of Africa while headed west.

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There’s a current originating in Indian ocean flowing south of Africa to the gulf of Mexico, before proceeding north east between Iceland and Great Britain. It’s why Scandinavia is so much warmer than the same latitude in the Americas. I’m 55 north in Denmark, and have hardly seen snow this winter, meanwhile Edmonton in Canada is 2° south of that.

Coconuts bobbing around the south of Africa is pretty wild, but not implausible.

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Great article. It’s worth remembering that DNA is only evidence that someone banged, and I imagine there’s a fair amount of contact that goes on before that.

A North American group from Colombia

I hope this person just meant to say “Native American”, and doesn’t really think Colombia is in North America.

(sorry, I’ve spent the last week proofreading articles…)

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Asia via the Pacific to the Americas, then a swallow grabs one and brings it to the Atlantic coast.

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African, or European?

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Excuse you, this is MURICA, those are FREEDOM SWALLOWS 🦅🦅🦅

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They went around the horn like a real man!

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Do you’re telling me that it had nothing to do with swallows being either European or African?!

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It could grip it by the husk.

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It’s not a matter of where it grips it! It’s a matter of weight ratios!

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A five ounce bird could not carry a 1 pound coconut.

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I’m so glad that this 50-year-old joke is still funny.

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Depends. Does the coconut weigh more than a duck?

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Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science?

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I don’t know, I wasn’t expecting some kind of Spanish Inquisition.

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No one ever does

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But then of course, uh, African swallows are non-migratory.

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The float yeah and that’s how they spread, but the coconuts were mostly brought by ships.

A coconut is really good on a ship 500 years ago, you have fresh water, some nutrition, etc.

Some ship gets destroyed with a load of coconuts on board and so it began probably.

Then when even the first ones have taken root, they start floating from isle to isle themselves.

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No, it was clearly the Swallows gripping them by the husks!

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I wish someone gripped my husk.

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Play your cards right and my friend will.

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"500 years ago*

Columbus makes the trip in 1492, 533 years ago.

Yeah that checks out.

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So the coconuts migrated, but the majority population of many of the islands were taken there as cargo?

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Oof, good point

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