Of course you couldn’t resist blaming white people for this. Actually sad because I agree with the rest, but what do race have to do with that? such an American thing.
Have you ever been to the US? Do you know anything about our history? Race and class are so deeply intertwined in this country, it’s going to take a lot more than some non-Americans mad on the internet, telling us to just quit bringing up race, to fix it.
And don’t mistake this as excusing our deeply ingrained racism, I just tire of people who have never spent a day in the US thinking that if we just “stop talking about race” then all of our race issues will magically go away, when it’s just not that simple.
I don’t think questioning racializing something as arbitrary as living off grid amounts to the same thing as “just stop talking about race.” That’s either really misunderstood or just a bad faith argument.
Ah, actually there are places where many people live like that. I know such places (one, namely republic of Artsakh, has become worse in the last couple of years due to partially being occupied by savage racist apes thinking it’s inside their “territorial integrity”).
It’s just that this requires a set of skills most don’t possess, having grown in big cities or places not too different from big cities for this purpose.
EDIT: About “level of decision” - nothing really prevents you from gaining the same. Just going to live “off the grid” with pretty much “on the grid” mindset is something leftists do more. Being prepared and having technical means to get to a doctor is important.
It’s just that this requires a set of skills most don’t possess
Thank you. I hate these comments implying that this is one hundred percent impossible or even that you need to be a rich person to accomplish it. I did it for a short time. But I went to town to get water and food, it’s not like you need to have every single thing be completely self sustaining (you can, but it’s not like it “doesn’t count” if you go get something). It was uncomfortable and hard, but that also contributed to what made it so rewarding. It was one of the best times in my life.
It is stupid to try to live in the wild without knowing what you’re doing though. The area I was in had good weather, close to a town etc. It wasn’t at the top of a mountain or anything.
So sad but at the same time LOfuckingL are people dumb!
They had a 14-year old kid with them. That poor kid didn’t deserve to have been led to his death because of the adults he had no choice but to depend on.
Are you more angry at the people trying to escape the crazy system than you are at the system that drove them out?
There is no “system” that drove them out. This was a choice they made. A bad one.
Nobody drove them out. This was a decision she made on her own accord and by her own free will.
Yes, because they died in an incredibly predictable way by going out unprepared and they brought a kid to die with them.
The same system that provides antibiotics? Have you ever grown food? It’s a lot harder than buying it at the store, even when you include the time spent working at a minimum wage job.
Nature is brutal and unforgiving, these idiots did not begin to respect it.
They could never have survived without society to care for them, the proof is that they didn’t.
Is it a contest? Can’t you be angry at both the system and people endangering their children and that is enough?
The adult who dragged a kid along was trying to create her own system, which undeniably isolated him, subjected him to suffering, and killed him, so yeah I’m angry at that on his behalf.
This is very sad, and preventable.
Reading the article it sounds like this woman unfortunately just spent too much time on social media reading all the doom and gloom of the media and people amplifying it in places like reddit, Twitter and Facebook.
wanted to live in a land disconnected from the world, which she viewed as chaotic and dangerous
she and her teenage son could be happy and safe away from the news, the viruses, the politics of modern-day America
had been “discouraged with the state of the world”
Rebecca Vance’s fears intensified during the pandemic
Consuming too much of this crap has really affected peoples mental health, from Trump, to BLM riots, racism, covid, it’s broken some people who spend too much time on social media.
So much so that they think the only way out is to hide away from society.
Reminder, friends, to take frequent and extensive breaks from social media for your own mental health.
You can’t lump in blm riots in there, those were protests stoked to violence by police officers, so what you should be saying it’s, corrupt police forces resulting in blm protests
Man gotta love when those protesters storm the local grocery store to fight social injustice. BLM!
You can’t deny that there is something fascinating about this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUO8secmc0g
Maybe I’m being too generous, but I was reading it as this person consumed too much media, including lies and exaggerations, and it warped their world view. I guess I read it as a topic like and not calling them riots themselves. Kinda like the “race riot” in Tusla, but idk.
The BLM “riots” were 99% protests where the only violence was on the part of the cops harassing protesters.
Please, I knew people who were exactly the same back in the 90s, there are always people who go down the paranoia rabbit hole and don’t come back out.
Lot of them were praying for the collapse because that’s when God would raise them above the wicked heathens and sodomites because they’re secretly special but everyone else is too evil to admit it.
The article said the poor kid was homeschooled, which is often a hallmark of religious fundamentalism. Not trusting the world and thinking it’s out to get you is also a hallmark of fundamentalism - but also of mental illness.
she and her teenage son could be happy and safe away from the news, the viruses, the politics of modern-day America
Just close the apps. That’s literally all it takes to avoid like 90% of the crap that she’s talking about. But the viruses… did she think those don’t make it to the forest or something?
And remember that despite some unique large scale issues we have today, there were much, MUCH worse times to be alive. “Majority of Americans live a peaceful life and die at 70-80” is not reportable news but still largely true.
Things are far from perfect, there are major issues, but I’d choose to live today than almost the entirety of human existence previously.
There were definitely way more violent times in the US: there were pandemics, there were revolts, there were wars. We live in an amazing time but it takes a bit of grand perspective to realize that all the bad news is easy to see in a matter of minutes. You can have death and destruction delivered right into your home in a matter of milliseconds. It’s much much harder to see all the wonderful things happening in the world
First rule of the Rocky’s, don’t camp / hike outside in the winter, you will not survive.
Lol this is ridiculous. I’ve been hiking in the Rockies plenty of times during the winter, as long as you take the proper precautions you will be fine.
ya right lool
i live in the mountains of CO. i sometimes wish the cold killed more consistently. we’d be a little less crowded
Even with a well-stocked cabin, the cold alone will sap your energy and kill you slowly.
Trying to survive it in a tent isn’t mere ignorance, it’s outright stupidity.
I wish people would realize that humans only got to where we are because we are a COMMUNAL species. We developed complex language and tool usage BECAUSE we work together. Being “off the grid” is usually isolationist and therefore extremely dangerous. We need community in order to develop and manage the resources we need to survive.
Well, why aren’t we practicing that communal specialty into you know, bettering society from it’s current dumpster fire state? Or is that just too tall of a task?
Humans usually live in peace in groups smaller than 18. Above that, troubles hints. @nieceandtows said 40 &up here … i like (her//his) comment.
Well no, there’s a difference between offgrid and alone and an offgrid commune.
Also, we’re living in kind of an unprecedented part of history that enables is to be independent of other people in ways never before possible. So that gives people a very distorted sense of that, a lack of any notion of the importance of community. And of course this “independence” is achieved by a complete dependence on this huge ubiquitous economic machine.
I’m a world of growing instability where the inputs for modern lifehave their supply consistency threatened, learning some basic survival skills is not a bad thing. Many countries will likely have huge energy, food, and water shortfalls in the coming years. Germany is burning what amounts to wet coal to make up for losing Russian oil. Ukraine was one of the world’s biggest wheat producers. Russia produced a lot of the world’s fertilizer. There are reasons to learn how to live without the entire support network most of us take for granted.
Though you should be pretty decent at living off grid before commiting to it.
Don’t assume that you’re cougar-proof or that 40°F and below weather with no real insulation is something you can save yourself from with enough bootstraps.
It’s dangerous to go full off the grid, but in reality it’s never complete isolation. In Leave No Trace/My Abandonment (based on a true story) the father relied on disability checks to buy goods and educated his daughter using encyclopedias… In Walden Thorough is living alone in a remote area, but it’s not like he’s completely cut off from the benefits of society and has visitors somewhat regularly. I think there’s a difference between trying to minimize the brunt of society 24/7 vs going full isolation.
