cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/27423053

[Video] ICE arrests PhD student

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Complaining about bans for posts on lemmy.ml is like complaining about birdshit on your car when parking under a tree.

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I’m not complaining about bans. I’m trying to have a debate on why tankie-land needs to be part of this?

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I don’t think you quite understand how the Fediverse works.

Lemmy has no control over the instances. It only provides the format and connects the instances with each other. That is the „fed“-part. Federation. A central authority controlling how each instance moderates itself would defeat the point.

If you don’t like an instance, block it and move on. Nobody except the person who runs the server can do anything to change how they run it.

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Ok, perhaps I don’t. Can you explain what people mean when they call for “defederating from” an instance then?

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You can block the instance if you don’t like it.

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Which community on the .ml instance did you post this on?

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Because they made this thing and Fediverse is per se open. If you question whether they belong, I wonder why you are posting on .ml?

You didn’t post which community you posted that into so it’s a but hard to evaluate how legitimate the removal is.

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Friendly reminder that we can FOIA first and last names of every ICE employee and their salary, and position/title.

Every last one of them.

It’s a good and legal public list just waiting to be collected nice and legally, and shared with the taxpayers as per our still existing rights.

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This assumes the department or people involved with fulfilling these requests hasn’t already been compromised or shut down. The request means nothing when it never gets looked at.

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Ultimately, this would come down to the judiciary. They (ICE) could stonewall all they want. Those documents are on file, and you better believe the judiciary will exercise every ounce of strength they’ve got in producing them.

It might get delayed unduly for quite some time, but those names are the public’s. Not a damn thing any person who decided to accept the job can do about that to stop the public.

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Also, the community we’re in has a rule against moderation complaints, so I would really crosspost to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Nothing says “we are a free and open community that welcomes others” like moderators banning discussion of poor moderation.

Yes, I do understand what the rule is there for. No that doesn’t make it any less hilariously shitty.

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I prefer !fediverse@lemmy.zip , just for the non delay with aussie.zone https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/40460535

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Thx. I saw the rule. @ mods I’m fine if you want to remove this.

I think federation needs to be better explained possibly here either with a sticky or sidebar. And a diagram of who we are federated with and not that’s live updated would be helpful too.

Thanks for all the work you guys do

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At the bottom of the page on every Lemmy instance there’s a link that will show you the instances it’s federated and de-federated from. Look for the link labeled ‘Instances’ from a web browser. Here’s the link for lemmy.world that your account is on-

https://lemmy.world/instances

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HOLY SHIT. I’d never perused that list before, so I had NO idea how many unsavory instances were out there, thankfully blocked here.

WTF is wrong with people?

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Ty. That stuff should be available in mobile clients too. It could definitely be better visually represented and contain a reason and a defederated since date or more.

Also an explanation that addresses my other example about downvote brigading a tertiary instance.

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That’s never going to happen. The admins of Lemmy.ml are the actual developers who make the Lemmy software, so there is huge resistance to doing things that will offend them.

There was a software project aiming at making a non-Lemmy Reddit replacement. The main dev got sick and basically the project (Kbin) died, though spawned a fork called Mbin, which afaik has barely been improved since.

Though you may want to check out PieFed, even entirely aside from all of this. The set of features that it has been developing and the speed that they are added is nothing short of astonishing! Btw I am writing to you on Lemmy from PieFed right now.:-)

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They’re right. I’m not defending the ban, but it is political. This is why MAGA elected Trump.

ICE is following Trump’s orders, which are an unconstitutional violation of the Fifth Amendment. When the Alien Enemies Act was used during WWII, even the Nazis had due process before being deported.

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ICE’s actions are political.

Discussing ICE’s actions is not necessarily political, unless you consider human rights violations to be necessarily political as a topic.

Silencing discussion of human rights violations implies tacit support for the action, so I guess we know now where .ml stands. Any claim of leftist ideology on their part is a sham, they just have a hard-on for authoritarians.

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Of course its political, what else would it be? You are talking about peoples rights (a political concept) being breached by an administration (poltical) using an arm of the government (political) as a paramilitary force (political).

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My point of view is that a human rights violation is a human rights violation regardless of the context in which it happens, and is therefore an important thing to discuss and give visibility to.

Labeling it as “political” and using that as an excuse to hide discussion of it feels like bootlicker behavior to me.

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I can’t see evidence that it’s banned. I’m on .ml and can see it just fine. It would be in the modlog if it were banned.

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