On Wednesday, the UN aid coordination office, OCHA, said in its latest update that Israel’s ban on entry of aid has continued for nearly a month and that no aid entered the enclave throughout this period. All requests by humanitarian agencies to coordinate access with Israeli authorities have been denied.

Helles recalled when the blockade was imposed. The shops were empty within hours, and what was left was too expensive, she said. Even the charity distributions, which once offered a variety of meals, have dwindled, now providing only small servings of rice at the time of Iftar.

After days of eating little more than rice, Huda couldn’t sleep at night, suffering from severe stomach pain and colic. She was diagnosed with a stomach infection two weeks ago.

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After seeing how Hamas is torturing and executing Palestinians who protest against them, while Israel is bad they may as well share responsibility for this most recent conflict.

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Damn the IDF is executing Palestinians who protest against them?

Oh wait they did that in 2017 in broad daylight.

If only there was any evidence for Hamas doing it. The 4k projector must be on again.

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Yes, yes, idk how many cam phones are in Gaza these days but imagine far fewer than before.

Don’t forget this latest conflict started because Hamas raided an Israeli concert for hostages and were always throwing so many missiles at Israel, Israel invented and built the most advanced missile defense system in the world.

Here’s how I see it, Jews shouldn’t have been given Israel after WW2 because it was already settled but it happened. When the Jews won the wars to hold Israel, the Palestinians never accepted defeat and because of it, never made peace. Because they never made peace and have lived for vengeance for decades, they are now doomed. The smart ones left, and will likely be all that is left of Palestine when Israel is done.

Is this just? No, and what really doesn’t help is both people think god is on their side when it seems to me, god isn’t with either of them.

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No this conflict started because Israel violated a ceasefire on March 18 and massacared more than 200 Palestinian children in terror bombings.

There was a ceasefire on March 18. There was no ceasefire on October 7.

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Unconscionable. What Hamas did was inexcusable, but Hamas doesn’t treat Palestinians any better than they do Jews as a matter of public record. I get that Hamas have exploited just about any effort to help the average Palestinian ever attempted, but that should not be an argument against helping what amounts to more victims of Hamas.

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Hamas are the good guys.

In the fight against Israel. Let’s not forget that they’re still a brutal authoritarian regime that must go immediately after someone does something about Israel.

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I get that Hamas have exploited just about any effort to help the average Palestinian ever attempted,

So claims Israel, which has published more lies than truths throughout this genocide.

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This has nothing to do with “Jews”. You differentiate Hama’s and Palestinians. Why not the other way. Most Jews aren’t even in Israel. Many in Israel don’t support it even. I’m all for calling out Israel.

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Yeah, that’s a fair point. Substitute with ‘citizens of Israel’ then.

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What Hamas did is very excusable.

https://www.cjpme.org/fs_236/

the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) has explicitly affirmed the right of Palestinians to resist Israel’s military occupation, including through armed struggle.

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Armed struggle != war crimes. One does not justify the other. The October attacks were like 5% achieving military objectives, the rest mindless slaughter, to the point where one can legitimately question whether the military objectives were not completely incidental. Hamas could have bee-lined for as many IDF outposts as they could, they didn’t, they shot up Hippie Kibbutzim of all places. (Which is also why Netanjahu and triply so the Kahanites don’t care about the hostages: They’re by and large lefties).

Same, of course, goes for the IDF and what they’re currently doing. If both sides kept to not even self-defence but only military objectives there might actually be peace in sight.

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the rest mindless slaughter

Hasbara. Hamas wanted hostages and had no incentive to commit “mindless slaughter” - they’re not mindless demons. It’s likely the majority of the deaths were from the Hannibal Directive, which is why Israel won’t let the UN conduct an investigation.

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No. The attacks were originally aimed at a military base; they had no idea that a music festival was going on. The death count is roughly 300 soldiers dead and 900 civilians. By Israel’s own logic, this ratio of civilian deaths is acceptable in war. (I disagree which is why it’s wrong for both sides) Hamas claimed they were taking enemy fire from these locations, and by Israeli logic it meant that these Kibbutzim were now legitimate military targets. (Again, Israel has done this to Arab towns using the same rationale). Israel doesn’t like hoisted on their own petard.

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To be fair (???) they did need the hostages so they needed to go to the kibbutz anyway, but yeah too much mindless slaughter. I will note though that by casualty numbers alone we’re looking at 33% achieving military objectives rather than 5%. Same difference but yeah.

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What Hamas did is very excusable.

They killed and kidnapped civilians which isn’t excusable. It would have been excusable to attack the military, not civilians.

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I don’t like to get into this debate because it’s pointless this late in the game, but here goes:

1-If you’re going to fight apartheid, you will have to play dirty. Yeah yeah hostages bad, but Palestinian detainees (which are, to be very fucking clear, also hostages) won’t be freed by vague platitudes and appeals to the rules of war. They can be freed by hostage exchanges, which need hostages on your side to exchange. Those who make humane revolution impossible make inhumane revolution inevitable.

2-The deaths on October 7th are not solely deliberately Hamas-inflicted. There’s a whole host of people who died in the crossfire, either by Hamas or Israeli fire, and many who were killed by Israeli friendly fire. Look up the Hannibal directive.

3-They did attack the Israeli military. 33% of people killed during the attack were military or security forces, and if you look up the towns they attacked on October 7th (which isn’t hard to do; there’s a list on Wikipedia) you’ll see that almost every one has an IDF base. I can’t tell you how much because nobody involved cared to run that sort of analysis and Israel had unqualified people do work that was crucial to that sort of analysis (these are the same people who made later disproven mass rape allegations).

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More than 33% military without counting all Israelis as IDF reservists which they have proven to be over the last year.

And the kidnapping is done becsuse it is the only way to get their own people free. Israel has been kidnapping Palestinians for decades in far larger quantities. Hamas doing to same thing back should not raise eyebrows.

Israel killed a Palestinian child they kidnapped recently. Did not even make the headlines.

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These the same civilians letting genocide happen right next to them? They have just as much blood on their hands.

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