In a shocking incident, horrific visuals are surfacing on the internet in which it can be seen that the Hamas militants are taking a semi-naked dead body of an Israeli woman on an open truck and parading in the city. It is said that the militants after attacking Israel are killing and taking the civilians as hostage. The militants took the dead bodies of the innocent civilians who were killed during the attack in open trucks and paraded them.
This is almost as bad as the Palestinian settlement destruction and genocide by Israel. Not quite but almost.
What Israel does is as you described. But can we please not use whataboutism to try and justify barbaric behavior? This is grotesque. Things done to Palestine are grotesque. Let’s just call evil things evil and not try and say “hey cause someone else did an evil this evil is okay.”
Ignoring the ad hominem in your post, I never said Hamas was Palestine. I said that things done to Palestine are grotesque. I said this action by Hamas was grotesque, and replying to the original commenter that it was “almost as bad” as heinous acts done by the recipient of this evil act does not justify this evil act.
And the Holocaust has literally nothing to do with this discussion, as you mention. Better to make your point would be to actually discuss whataboutism as a definition and provide discussion for why making a counter accusational justification doesn’t qualify as whataboutism (note: the definition of whataboutism is literally responding to an accusation with a counter accusation in an attempt to side step the issue, which I believe is exactly what happened here, eg “this evil act (the accusation) is actually not that bad because of the other evil acts of Israel (counter accusation)”).
So my argument still stands to the tenets by definition, I never equated Hamas to Palestine (and in fact made the same point that acts done to them were also horrible), and never defended Israel or Hamas. I just don’t believe that killing civilians, or committing war crimes or attempting terror campaigns, is justifiable (by either side).
I never said what you’re implying. This is not what aboutism in any sense.
Saying “this is almost as bad” establishes a comparison, and in the context establishes justification for this event because of the comparator. So your response to the barbarism here is a tacit justification by comparison, or taken in another view, a counter accusation. Which is definitive whataboutism: responding to an accusation with a counter accusation.
I’ll leave this here. Not because there’s one story that shows up. Because there are so many stories that show up in this one search. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=boy+shot+in+face+israeli+forces&t=ofa&ia=web
Both are bad but can we work on our own issues, can’t even make peace within our own Western nations between conservatives and liberals
It’s stretch to call what is shown in the video “parading”. The video shows the body facedown in the back of a pickup, partially covered with gear and the legs of the militants also riding in the back. The truck drives off quickly once the crowd allows. It seems more they they are just trying to move the body.
Does it just look like a regular funeral car, moving the body of a peaceful person to the graveyard for a kind goodbye with grieving family? Or, if you focus, could you see a group of people laughing oddly? Notice the armed passengers in the pick-up truck, surely feeling on top of the world because of what they’re doing. Look at the man casually grabbing her by her dreadlocks. Spot the man who carelessly spat on her head at the end of the video. Check out her unnatural pose - could you please look at how her arm and leg are bent? Surprisingly, there’s not any military gear on her.
I almost forgot - the person killed so hatefully seems to have been recognized. Check this: https://www.instagram.com/p/CwxZUkQM7Mn/. Notice the same boots, the identical tattoo on her leg, her dreadlocks, the victim’s clothing looks the same as the woman in the link, and they were both near Gaza borders before the event.
To make matters worse, there’s lots of viral videos showing these bad guys boldly kidnapping innocent women.
Put all these pieces together and the picture is really dark. Yet there they are, those “militants” who are “just moving the body” and the people watching, all making a great fun out of her dead body. It really makes you think that IS a parade?
Jesus fucking Christ simmer the fuck down, the guy didn’t say “HAMAS IS DOING ALLAH’S WORK ALL PRAISE HIS NAME” he just took issue with the terminology.
If you like I’m sure we can find some videos that actually show bodies being paraded through streets. That’s just not what’s happening in the video from the article. They are trying to move the body as quickly as they can, possibly even to prevent something really atrocious from happening. Like it or not, Hamas are the good guys in this fight, regardless of the actual provenance or treatment of the corpse.
Your literally arguing whether or not a dead body was being “paraded” or not, and saying - meh, they’re fighting a fight I agree with, so it doesn’t matter if atrocities are committed. Fuck. You.
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Just saw Andor recently. Very interesting the parallel between Israel and the Empire. The issue is the overarching reach of Israel throughout the conflict that is only help breeding more radicals. And islamic martyrdom is just another factor that would serve as a cayalyst for more violence in the area. I’m impressed how long Israel defense held up.
Tarkovski was able to make movies with overtly religious themes in the Soviet Union, because it was ‘just science fiction’.
Andor is a tv show about more than just funny space aliens. So is Star Wars obviously, but Andor is properly good tv.
Thankfully people thinking it’s ‘just a Disney show’ or ‘it’s just scifi’ is how stuff like this slips under the radar. See also: trans metaphor The Matrix, Starship Troopers equating right-wing American militarism with Nazi Germany, and V for Vendetta’s ambiguity on the ethics of terrorism.
Lol, I pretty much react to this whenever I see people reference pop culture shit.
It just doesn’t matter, and they’re usually trying to tell people “I enjoyed this thing, you should watch it too! It’s relevant I swear!”
Which is almost as bad as the people who inevitably pop up exclaiming how they’re definitely way too cool to enjoy [thing that is currently popular]
