In a shocking incident, horrific visuals are surfacing on the internet in which it can be seen that the Hamas militants are taking a semi-naked dead body of an Israeli woman on an open truck and parading in the city. It is said that the militants after attacking Israel are killing and taking the civilians as hostage. The militants took the dead bodies of the innocent civilians who were killed during the attack in open trucks and paraded them.
No. Religion caused this. Stop worshipping your imaginary friend in the sky.
I don’t worship a god, I just don’t like seeing “barbaric savages” rhetoric in the wild. Whatever metric is being used to call them religious savages is equally applicable to America’s christian fundamentalist religious savagery, except that America owns more press.
I’d think Israel’s apartheid policies and ethnic cleansing caused this, but what do I know?
Are you seriously trying to argue that a war between two religious ethno-states that are a hairs breadth away from being theocracies isn’t religiously motivated?
Don’t you think the more parsimonious explanation is that this is a war of apartheid and colonialism?
There are Muslim and Christian Israelis and Jewish and Christian Palestinians. Sure, religion plays somewhat of a role in the conflict, but this is no more of a holy war than Operation Enduring Freedom or the Russo-Ukranian war, except that you wouldn’t ever accuse those of being about religion except in the context of this argument as a defense mechanism.
Just saw Andor recently. Very interesting the parallel between Israel and the Empire. The issue is the overarching reach of Israel throughout the conflict that is only help breeding more radicals. And islamic martyrdom is just another factor that would serve as a cayalyst for more violence in the area. I’m impressed how long Israel defense held up.
Tarkovski was able to make movies with overtly religious themes in the Soviet Union, because it was ‘just science fiction’.
Andor is a tv show about more than just funny space aliens. So is Star Wars obviously, but Andor is properly good tv.
Thankfully people thinking it’s ‘just a Disney show’ or ‘it’s just scifi’ is how stuff like this slips under the radar. See also: trans metaphor The Matrix, Starship Troopers equating right-wing American militarism with Nazi Germany, and V for Vendetta’s ambiguity on the ethics of terrorism.
Lol, I pretty much react to this whenever I see people reference pop culture shit.
It just doesn’t matter, and they’re usually trying to tell people “I enjoyed this thing, you should watch it too! It’s relevant I swear!”
Which is almost as bad as the people who inevitably pop up exclaiming how they’re definitely way too cool to enjoy [thing that is currently popular]
Another day.
This is almost as bad as the Palestinian settlement destruction and genocide by Israel. Not quite but almost.
What Israel does is as you described. But can we please not use whataboutism to try and justify barbaric behavior? This is grotesque. Things done to Palestine are grotesque. Let’s just call evil things evil and not try and say “hey cause someone else did an evil this evil is okay.”
I never said what you’re implying. This is not what aboutism in any sense.
Saying “this is almost as bad” establishes a comparison, and in the context establishes justification for this event because of the comparator. So your response to the barbarism here is a tacit justification by comparison, or taken in another view, a counter accusation. Which is definitive whataboutism: responding to an accusation with a counter accusation.
Ignoring the ad hominem in your post, I never said Hamas was Palestine. I said that things done to Palestine are grotesque. I said this action by Hamas was grotesque, and replying to the original commenter that it was “almost as bad” as heinous acts done by the recipient of this evil act does not justify this evil act.
And the Holocaust has literally nothing to do with this discussion, as you mention. Better to make your point would be to actually discuss whataboutism as a definition and provide discussion for why making a counter accusational justification doesn’t qualify as whataboutism (note: the definition of whataboutism is literally responding to an accusation with a counter accusation in an attempt to side step the issue, which I believe is exactly what happened here, eg “this evil act (the accusation) is actually not that bad because of the other evil acts of Israel (counter accusation)”).
So my argument still stands to the tenets by definition, I never equated Hamas to Palestine (and in fact made the same point that acts done to them were also horrible), and never defended Israel or Hamas. I just don’t believe that killing civilians, or committing war crimes or attempting terror campaigns, is justifiable (by either side).
I’ll leave this here. Not because there’s one story that shows up. Because there are so many stories that show up in this one search. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=boy+shot+in+face+israeli+forces&t=ofa&ia=web
Both are bad but can we work on our own issues, can’t even make peace within our own Western nations between conservatives and liberals
