Justice≠Revenge, otherwise Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and the rest, would be justified.
If every evil was stopped though it would be the end of ‘our trip’/‘any possible progress’.
I don’t think punishing bad guys makes you a good guy.
you’re missing the point. There are a slew of contradictions in christian dogma that don’t make any sense at all. People who “punish” people are typically the good guys in stories. Take a sheriff in a western for instance. They chase the robber and throw them in jail as a form of punishment. The meme is just showcasing an example of how religion faulters under critical examination
They merely said that being separated from God means suffering, while following H…er.im means walking towards the establishment of H…er.is Kingdom/City unto Earth. They talked more about Hell as a state than as a physical place, but, well… who cares nowadays, right ? Parabola never taught us anything about the real world, the spirit doesn’t exist, and morals are relative, they were simply naive ignorants who never had anything to teach us, embrace modernity and reject 100% of the past.
I like how you skipped over the part where it’s been a core component of oppression and suffering
I’m an atheist and this is ultra-cringe.
Unfortunately this doesn’t really faze Christians at all because many of them believe that God is the source of all that is good, and so by default anyone who worships God is also good by default, and of course this logic follows that anyone that doesn’t worship God is evil by default.
Also, barring that, just because Satan punishes bad people doesn’t make him good. He punishes bad people because he’s jealous of God’s love for Humans, and he hates them for it. He’s more of an antihero I guess if you really wanted to paint him in a somewhat good light.
Except that’s a horrible distortion of Satan’s real role in Abrahamic religion - he was once understood as YHWH’s most loyal angel, willing to inflict eternal torture against his will for the sake of cleansing sin or whatever the fuck his torture was supposed to achieve. If the Christian god stopped being a massive piece of shit and went “yo, I don’t think all this torture stuff is actually helpful”, Satan would immediately stop his business.
There isn’t really much about eternal torture or damnation back when Satan was still an agent of God, and he certainly wasn’t in charge of Hell. All the talk of gnashing teeth and lakes of fire was originally metaphor for how much it sucked, not literal.
Hell isn’t a place, it’s a state of complete lack of Grace. The idea is that everyone has a 2 way connection to God, and all good feelings and emotions must come from it. People are free to reject that connection by committing mortal sin, but “the line stays open,” as long as someone lives. Honest repentance is accepting the connection back. If one dies before accepting grace again, God shrugs and accepts they aren’t interested, and cuts his side of the line. This leaves an existence with zero positive thoughts or feelings, best case scenario is eternal meh. Of course, it was hyped up to be awful to help convert and maintain control. And, ofcourse, Satan did do a bit of torture here and there, but it was generally all on living folk to test them.
To be upfront, I am not religious and never have been, but my understanding is that Satan isn’t the one doing the actual punishing? He is being punished by God himself, as is everyone else in Hell
That is a common misconception. Lucifer was punished and had his holy light removed, but Satan was always supposed to stay in hell and govern it.
Apparently atheists don’t understand the concept of forgiveness.
What is forgiveness to you?
To a lot of people, forgiveness comes when the person who did wrong feels regret over their actions. Not regret for the consequences, but regret for the harm that their actions caused.
Tbh, if someone is hoping that just paying false lip service will guarantee then forgiveness from an all knowing being, I’ll wonder what exactly it is that they believe. An all knowing God would know whether you actually regret harming someone, or if you just regret not getting into heaven. Is there any chance you could explain that to me? I have seriously never understood why some religious people believe that they could fool an all knowing God.
If that amount of sin is forgiven easily, I would argue that many of the harmless actions that current organized reliegon is against would also be forgiven.
