E: Let’s all talk about what bikes should or shoudn’t cost
I refuse to believe hobbyists are spending $10K on bikes, or commuters are spending $1K.
I can barely accept that the going rate for used bikes is over $200.
I couldn’t believe it either, so I went to the Trek.com site.
I hate this decade.
Dooood! I went to the site and the first bike I see is almost $11,000.00!!
I understand that one maker might be less costly, but I’m old enough to remember when you could get a good used bike for one day’s labor.
If you want an electric bike, the price goes up fast.
If you want one with a belt so that it won’t take crazy maintenance not to degrade over the winter, it goes up faster still.
If you want storage for your purse and whatnot, a bit more expensive still. A good large basket is more expensive than you’d think.
I can easily believe a commuter ebike hits a grand.
I just never assume anything with a motor when I encounter the word “bicycle”.
Where I live, 1k gets you a decent commuter bike without a motor. Doesn’t even matter much if used or new. Then you spend ~200 on parts every year. It’s outside 24/7, I don’t have a garage.
I mean i got a metal-mesh basket for the back for 20€ and its longer than wide so i can still park my bike in tight spaces. Idk what you mean by “good large basket” but mine is good and large enough
Over here the only one I could find that would allow me to lug around my purse and a little bit of extra cargo if needed was this one. It doesn’t even mount on my bike so the people at the bike shop had to improvise with zip ties and the like.
It took a while to find, because I couldn’t trust steel not to start getting rust stains on all my stuff, and my previous one pretty much instantly broke the very first time my bike fell, so I couldn’t trust just any kind of plastic.
I had the employees of no less than 5 bike shops try to recommend me something with little success before finally finding something. Most shops seem to carry 0~1 models of bike basket period, and not to have much more that they can order from their distributors.
I think North American shops are just confused at the idea of a bike for anything but leisure overall. Which is understandable considering how goddamn dangerous our awful car-centric cities can be.
I love my big basket, but man was it not easy to find
1k for a new high quality bike has been normal for 10-15 years. Anything beyond that has hugely diminishing returns.
If you want everything for a full shimano 105 set, that alone will cost you like 600$ or more. Then you still need a frame and wheels and saddle etc
Buying used is really the best play with bikes.
You could get a used budget bike for that much like
Even a couple decades ago they started at hundreds of dollars new, unless you’re talking about poorly assembled bike shaped objects made from sketchy parts.
Also, there are single bikes that cost well over 10 grand. Rich enthusiasts may have entire garages full of high end bikes that cost more than your average car.
The bikes I am looking to buy for the purpose of commuting over mixed terrain is in the $800-$1,400 price range (as of last year before tariff stuff). I don’t currently own a bike but I have owned and ridden a number of bikes in the past. The couple of hundred dollar bikes from like Walmart are just trash that don’t hold up. They fall apart pretty quickly under heavy riding.
All of this assumes one is buying new. If we are talking used then all of the above is somewhat a moot point.
Even within new the kind of riding matters a lot. If I know for a fact that I would only ever be riding on smooth paved roads then an old fixed frame street bike with skinny tires and very basic brakes and gears would make a lot of sense. There is zero chance that bike is going to be switching between road, grass, gravel, mud, and some of the other terrain I would be commuting across though.
I commute to work every day, and I don’t own a car. My bike (Shimano gear-hub with a belt drive) was about 1k€, and it was one of the cheaper models available.
As someone that has a $11k bike I can clarify some things.
I have a Wilier Granturismo SLR. About ~90% of the components are carbon fiber. Carbon Fiber, especially high end carbon fiber isn’t cheap. Besides the bike; my wheels, pedals, parts of the cranks, handlebars, saddle, saddle post, and probably some other things are carbon fiber.
I always hear people talk about getting carbon fiber components for cheaper because you have a shit tin of Chinese companies come in and steal these bike companies IP and make shit frames. Look at Chinorellos, shit ton of Chinese companies steal frame designs and re-make them with shit metal and the bike falls apart after a year.
Another thing…why does any give a fuck how much my bike costs? My dad is an audiophile guy and my bike costs as much as 1 (not a pair) of his speakers, and he has a mid-range system. Cycling is something that I love, I ride almost everyday and will spend hours and hours on the bike. I’d gladly pay less than $11k on my next bike but when you get into the higher end market you’re going to pay more, that’s true across almost ALL sports or hobby activities
Yeah, it’s just a silly meme. I would spend a lot of money on a bike if it was my hobby. But here I am getting shamed for spending as much as 1k for a bike, which I thought was the bare minimum for a daily driver.
Sorry I didnt mean to come off as abrasive towards you. If someone is giving you shit about the cost of you’re bike then tell them to fuck off. I’ve been cycling and competing for 7 years now, and cycling culture is about the ride, not the bike the rider is on. Some bikes cost $15k, others $1k, and all these expensive components can help you get faster, but at the end of the day, what really makes you faster isn’t the bike, it’s the rider.
Some bikes cost $15k, others $1k
This really makes me want to show up to a cycling event with a $200 Huffy
You and your dad have extravagant hobbies and live in a world most people cannot relate to. The vast majority of people on earth will never enjoy spending so much money and free time on their hobbies.
We’re not millionaires or make a significant amount of money. I saved money aside for my bike and my dad did the same for his stereo system. If you want to look at hobbies that cost a lot of money, looking at boating. People spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for boats and nobody blinks an eye. The cost of my bike wouldn’t cover the yearly maintenance for a boat
Sorry, that came off more critical than I meant it to be. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying a hobby, and certainly there are many frivolous things wealthy people do that cost far more money than you and I will make in our combined lifetimes. Everyone exists within an economic strata, and perspective hard to come by without personal experience.
Saying that any hobby might cost thousands of dollars, or tens of thousands of dollars, is as absurd to someone living in poverty as thinking a banana might cost $10.
What are your opinions on e-bikes? My wife and I bought them last summer to get more exercise, and I’ve been shocked to see a backlash against them from cyclers (e.g. there’s another comment above saying anything with a motor isn’t a bike).
In my mind, having an e-bike is no different than getting something like a carbon fiber frame. If it makes your biking experience more enjoyable, then great.
This is actually a great question because I don’t really care what bike you’re ridding, as long as your cool, follow road or trail rules, and wave back lol
At the end of the day, as long as you’re having fun and being respectful of other people, you’re cool in my book. I do know what you’re talking about though. I actually went on a cycling tour in Italy last year and on some of the group rides we’d have e-bike road bikes join. There wasn’t an issue but back in America…yea different story
and wave back
Lol my wife and I were joking about that a couple days ago. Reminded us of this old commercial.
Look I get it, I love cycling and own a few nice bikes ($1-4k) but let’s not pretend that the value is there at $11k. Outside of world tour riders, there’s no way you’re actually faster or more comfortable at $11k than about $5k. You already get carbon frame/wheels and near top of the line components for $5k-ish. So to OPs question, to me that’s the upper limit for what fancy bikes should cost for actual normal humans. Realistically 2k for road/gravel, maybe 3k for MTB is jusy barely slower and almost imperceptively less nice than 5k bikes. “High end” is only meaningful if there are actual tangible benefits that come along with the price tag. I support anyone out there on bikes, i just think $11k is a bit silly in a world with this much wealth inequality. I’m sure some folks think the exact same thing about me and my bikes tbf. Have fun and be safe out there.
So, I’ve also ridden a wide range of bikes and prices. $11k Wilier Granturismo is 100% more comfortable than Canyon Endurace (at least the CF SL Di2 I use to ride) and the Dogma I rode in Italy was oddly more comfortable than the Canyon (but I don’t own the Dogma, just rented for a few months). The Canyon was 100% more comfortable than the Trek domaine (entry level).
As for speed, high end bikes have more carbon components than a $4-6k bike, so naturally when you ride a lighter bike you’ll increase your speed to a point. But yes, the thing that makes you faster is you and not necessarily the bike, but having a bike that’s lighter sure does help.
I’m not totally disagreeing with you btw, I think if I could start all over again I would get fitted, buy a carbon frame + fork + saddle post, Ultegra Di2, carbon wheels and handlebar, like $150 saddle, and I’ll be set. Probably cost around $6-8k, and if I went used I could probably get it for $4k.
At the same time, why do people buy a BMW? A car just gets you from point A to point B, why would you spend significantly more when a Honda is more economical and reliable? My point is, people can spend their money how they want and that’s okay. $11k got me the perfect bike and there’s nothing I would change about it and I’ll have it for the rest of my life. It’s just odd to me that people get so abrasive (not you, just in general) about the cost of high end bikes, but a $120k car or truck that’s used to go to the grocery store, nobody bats an eye.
Appreciate the conversation, and I definitely bat an eye at the overpriced mall crawlers people blow absurd amounts of money on to get groceries. I actually do think a $50k car is generally a bit nicer than a 20k car, so in my analogy that could maybe be justified, but $120k is getting a bit silly with marginal gains that are not meaningful (to me at least).
But back to bikes, curious of you’re actually able to compare these bikes you mentioned apples to apples. Same geometry, saddle, tires, grip tape, etc? If it’s frame compliance you’re after, I’m curious for your thoughts on some of the higher end steel frames out there. I ride mostly gravel and am large, so e.g long setback seatposts and 45mm tires soak up everything to the point that frame compliance matters less (but still some of course). I could see that being a bigger deal for smaller/lighter riders though. On the other end of the spectrum for trail bikes the frame just needs to be stiff, so I see zero benefit to carbon there (outside weight of course, but thankfully people learned to care less about weight in the MTB world finally). Back to road I’d also argue aero matters more than those last few grams for just about everything outside of massive climbs. I recall hearing that on any road below 7-8%, aero is still “more important” than weight, meaning you should spend your money there instead. Who knows though, every few years there’s a new trend and every few years I find I value comfort over speed even more.
I just love riding bikes and I spend way too much time learning about tech I have very little desire to actually buy. I’m glad you found a bike you’re super stoked to ride, that’s what that matters at the end of the day!
I’m living in Denmark. When You walk out the door, you have to watch Your step, not to trip on a bike. When it’s windy, the bikes roll around the streets like tumbleweed.
I think you’re both idiots wasting money when you can get a perfectly good bike for like $200?
If you are doing any serious distance and/or are older there is a noticeable difference in comfort and efficiency over $1k. I rode shitty bikes my entire life. When I hopped on a $1500 bike I couldn’t believe how much faster I could go and how comfortable it was. The transfer of energy into forward motion was wild. That being said I bought my bike for $100 off of Craigslist 10 years ago.
My bike was like 50 bucks. It’s shitty but it gets me there. And no one tries to steal it.
It’s definitely not as fast as a fancy road bike though lol.
