People who find that “frustrating” have led too sheltered a life.
But why is USB C directional? One phone I have won’t charge if the cord is in one orientation but fast charges in the other orientation.
they should just go with perfectly circular, with different sizes for different applications. imagine a 20mm unit - high power/bandwidth hoses with a satisfying locking mechanism that magnetically seals the connection.
and makes the proton pack sound. and rgb fuck nevermind go back this was a bad idea
Circular isn’t a great idea, and here are most of the idea why it is not : https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/528821/why-dont-we-have-a-circular-usb-port
USB required to have a stable connexion, as it’s a digital signal and not an analog as jack ports, which just sends curent through it. Rotating the connector could maybe introduce issues for signal integrity.
The usb connector has much more connectors than a jack port. It would take a very long hole to fit them all. (usb 3+, usb C…)
Size constraint. USB C is flat, a round port is not. So it’s bigger in 1 way, but smaller in the other, and so creates more design challenges.
Round is not round, that is, there’s a difference between the likes of cinch and DIN (-style) connectors. Cinch can be rotated once inserted which indeed isn’t ideal, but DIN are perfectly adequate signal-wise and you can rotate them into place, just like finding the begging of a thread when inserting a screw.
Keyboards used five-pole DIN for the longest time and mice D-Sub (because serial), both changed to Mini-DIN 6, aka “PS/2 connectors”. And never, ever, did anyone complain about getting the orientation wrong with DIN connectors.
D-Sub are a bit iffy but at least you really do have a 50/50 chance as they don’t jam like USB-A does. They also aren’t actually rectangular and you can feel the matching angles on both female and male ends.
Really, connectors went downhill with USB. HDMI and DisplayPort aren’t really any better as you can’t feel the shape of the socket, either. OTOH, one really nasty connector becomes rarer and rarer: Molex. Also you can’t fry your motherboard by connecting the main power connection in the wrong way, any more (remember: Black to black).
And never, ever, did anyone complain about getting the orientation wrong with DIN connectors.
Hah! Hardly. I have plenty of memories of endlessly rotating mouse and keyboard connectors as I reached behind a computer trying to insert it blindly, and somehow having to try half a dozen times before it finally found just the right orientation.
There’s also the issue on the older, large DIN connectors of pins getting bent or broken.
We moved on from those things for darn good reason, and I for one have no interest in going back.
I love circular connectors that screw onto the receptacle or have locking tabs
MIL-DTL-38999 for everything, including steampunk casettefuturism phones!
We could have a compact version, say 3.5mm, with different segments to carry different signal types. More segments can be added to allow for additional features. It could work with audio, video, power, and other data transfer. That would fit ideally into a phone.
@Stingray
I’d like to present the iPod Shuffle which did just that from the second generation onward
EXPLAIN!
The reply is pretty self-explanatory too. The cable exists in a 4-dimensional space.
It doesn’t necessarily need to be 4-dimensional https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinor
“In geometry and physics, spinors /spɪnər/ are elements of a complex number-based vector space that can be associated with Euclidean space.[b] A spinor transforms linearly when the Euclidean space is subjected to a slight (infinitesimal) rotation,[c] but unlike geometric vectors and tensors, a spinor transforms to its negative when the space rotates through 360° (see picture). It takes a rotation of 720° for a spinor to go back to its original state. This property characterizes spinors: spinors can be viewed as the “square roots” of vectors (although this is inaccurate and may be misleading; they are better viewed as “square roots” of sections of vector bundles – in the case of the exterior algebra bundle of the cotangent bundle, they thus become “square roots” of differential forms).”
Seems pretty self-explanatory to me! /s
TL;DR: its cheaper that way,
And i value that decision
I can bet you it’s incompetence. They failed upwards. Sure, protocol is great and universal, but connector is atrocious and it has nothing to do with cost. Few points in favor of this hypothesis:
- Plastic inside of the connector was initially black. Why chose hard to see color? Go with something easier to see;
- Connector is perfectly rectangular and only distinguishing feature they made hard to see. Don’t make ti symmetrical if it’s not reversible, basic design principle;
- Connector is perfectly rectangular making it difficult to insert. There’s a reason why most connectors have rounded corners, they are self-correcting, even TypeC does this;
- They made various different connector types but pushed for the only one with these issues. No one ever had doubts how type B or mini B or micro B go in.
Initially, the plastic inside the connector was white. They started to use black to denote USB2.0 devices, and USB2.0 rapidly became the standard. They at least tried to do something similar with blue plastic with USB3.0.
It’s basically the only example I can think of where the plug and socket are rotationally symmetrical without also being reversible. That’s the kind of thing where I ask “did you test this before you shipped it?” Thirty years later we’re still plagued by the damn thing.
Right you are. Completely forgot about that. That said, I don’t think USB1 was a standard for too long. If I remember correctly it went to 2.0 pretty fast.
Also a male USB 2 plug fits perfectly into a RJ45 slot :-/ In my days of tech support, I’ve seen multiple people plugging their USB printer cable into the network slot of their computer and it’s a perfect fit so they were always convinced they didn’t do anything wrong… That’s clearly a design flaw while all other connectors have distinct sizes.
Way back before USB, joysticks had a DIN-25 connector that was identical to the MIDI network connector.
I blindly plugged my brand new MS Force Feedback joystick into the MIDI network port behind my miditower (yes I’m that old) and watched the magic smoke rise out of the joystick. That was not a good day to learn about plugs. The network carries 50 volts or something. Stick wasn’t happy.
edit: corrections! Here’s a photo of the network card: https://i.imgur.com/fBJixkM.png
My girlfriend works in IT at a school so I asked if she’s encountered this too. She said “all the time, they’re right next to each other” she also added that a lot of people put their thin charging cables into the headphone jack breaking their laptops. And that for some of them they “fit better” in that jack than the one it’s meant to go in.
Never heard of people plugging USB into LAN, but now that you mention it they are the same size. Luckily all the contacts are shielded.
Hindsight is 20/20. You’re raising every issue with the original USB plug, then proceed to highlight how they addressed these issues going forward.
You’re describing inexperience and calling it incompetence.
I don’t even know that I would call it inexperience. I just think a major part of the first pass was selling the idea of USB. You can design a perfect cable, plug, and protocol, it doesn’t mean anyone will use it. Most investors don’t know much about the technical details of a product. They do, however, understand the price. If you’re trying to make a difference in the world, you don’t always get to do it with style and quality.
AFAIK the real predecessor to USB was Serial cables and those were an absolute shit show. USB set out to create a more usable interface with a lower profile and cheaper cost. In many ways the minor flaws in USB becoming common gripes is USB becoming a victim of its own success. I don’t think they originally set out to become a power charging standard so the frequency at which devices were plugged in increased over time .
No one ever had doubts how type B or mini B or micro B go in.
How lucky you were to never have a device that had one of these upside-down.
No one ever had doubts how type B or mini B or micro B go in.
I agree with most of your post, but micro B is a step too far. That fucking plug was always inserted with the following procedure:
- Try to plug it in.
- Flip the side and try to plug it in again.
- Flip it again because you had the right damn side the first time.
Always, always, always.
