cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/795697
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Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230728012552/https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/android-phones-can-now-tell-you-if-theres-an-airtag-following-you/
Bit OT, but has anyone used the Samsung tracker? Are they any good?
I mean they are currently /ok/ but since it’s only samsung devices it bounces off instead of every android device it doesn’t have the versatility that the Apple airtags have (where it bounces off any apple device and any android device with the app), so if it’s between one of the other I would go with air tag since you can still use them on android (with a secondary app) but as always YMMV since it’s made for Apple devices
that being said, might be changing with googles support for trackers!
After reading this, I’m wondering how a phone could differentiate an Airtag following me from for example a guy with an Airtag sitting somewhere near me while inside a train for two hours.
When I visit family via train, google knows I was on a train ( maps timeline ), so maybe they can tell by how straight the travel is ?
Wow, you let google watch you all the time? My location stays turned off unless needed.
I know a few people that hide them in their bike frames. Will it tell bike thieves that the tag hidden in the stolen bike is following them?
They’re not anti theft devices. Never were. They are anti losing my shit devices.
Slap one on your keys, wallet, etc, and when you lose them, you can track them to see where they ended up falling out of your pocket.
If you want a tracking device, pay for one. They’ll use a SIM card, be undetectable, and track perfectly without needing a network of phones.
I think the solution to this problem is embedding the tag into the frame in such a way that removing it would be destructive or at least highly impractical. That’s my plan at least. Waiting for my Chipolo trackers to arrive.
How would you do that, and what’ll you do when it runs out of battery?
Embedding it also reduces range by a lot. Gplama did a test
I haven’t done any designs yet. I’m thinking about the steerer tube. It’s carbon so it shouldn’t impede the RF. Another option is somewhere within the saddle. Or maybe inside a reflector, on the wheel or otherwise. Possibly within a pedal, depending on the style of pedals. Or on the inside of a crank arm. Possibly epoxied to it. When the time comes for replacement, chisel it out of the aluminum, epoxy another one. 🤷
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I would assume so. It’s a difficult thing, because I’m really not okay with people covertly tracking others with airtags without their consent, but the it can of course also be used to track stolen items or so.
But we still don’t have an equivalent android tag.
I have a Tile Tag and it’s not bad. I keep them on my keychain, in the car, and when traveling. They aren’t as predominant as Air Tags yet, but they work.
I seriously suspect that Google will eventually acquire the Tile brand so they can absorb the patents without having to start from scratch.
I have a Tile Tag and it’s not bad.
But afaik, that doesn’t have the same functionality as the air tag?
Air tags can ping any iPhone and report their location back through the cloud.
Most android devices won’t have a location reporting function active, unless the person happens to have also installed the Tile app in their phone, which is a pretty small percentage of phone users.
That’s not going to help me locate my suitcase that Air Canada sent to the other side of the world.
That is correct, currently the tile needs the app running in the background. Which actually a lot of people have. Funny thing is a friend was traveling through Europe so I loaned them a tile to put in their backpack to track if lost. I found that popular travel spots like airports and town squares around Europe worked just fine. It was harder when traveling down the highway for example as far less people would have tile running on their phone in the background.
Like I said, I hope Google acquires Tile and integrates it like Apple did with the airtag. But instead it sounds like google is working on their own tracking chip, and will be releasing it as soon as Apple integrates their side (so both android and apple will alert users if someone else’s tags are tracking them)
They’re coming as part of the new Find My Device network. The launch has been delayed until Apple releases their portion of the joint anti-tracking effort.
Aren’t there a number of small gps trackers on the market that are compatible with Android? Tile and Chipolo to name a couple.
just for clarification, they are Bluetooth trackers. They don’t have a GPS radio within them and have no intrinsic knowledge of where they are located. Essentially just a Bluetooth beacon
Air tags do not have GPS either. They use UWB+bluetooth but rely on the phone for location data.
The drawback of non-AirTags is that they depend on people consciously opting in to the network (by, say, buying Tiles themselves and running the app). The AirTag network just exists because every iPhone is part of the network, whether or not people have bought AirTags themselves. The AirTag network is orders of magnitude larger and denser than, say, the Tile network.
This vast difference between coverage networks will also push Tiles to extinction, as the Tile network is now far, far worse than the AirTag one, and there’s not much point in buying one. If you’re serious about tracking your stuff, it’s quite possibly worth buying a used iPad just for this purpose.
That’s the amazing thing about air tags that no other tracker can offer. For better or for worse, every modern iPhone is - by default - reporting the location of nearby tags. It’s nearly impossible to actually lose something with an AirTag on it assuming it doesn’t come off and the area has even the faintest cell signal.
That’s far from the case with tile or any other tracker.
I’m optimistic Google will be able to wave a hand and bam now 2 billion Android devices do it courtesy of Google Play Services
