For my “convenience” and because in this way they can show ads and clickbait

Also: I SET A FUCKING GROUP POLICY THAT DISABLES THE SEARCH BAR; WHY THEY FUCKING IGNORE IT???

230 points

Classic microsoft move.

Linux has gotten great over the years and keeps improving while windows gets worse and worse every day. This has been going on for many years now.

I switched already and suggest you give it a shot as well. It’s honestly much easier than windows if you know the basics and understand how things are done there.

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How is it for gaming?

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Pretty damn good these days.

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I just got a new game off steam, no issues with installation. Thats my experience this entire year.

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Fantastic - made the jump a month ago. I don’t play FPS games. Those are the ones that have trouble running on Linux due to anti-cheast software, but the vast majority of my 600 steam games run with no issues it all - at sometimes running even better than on windows.

For example division 2 was sluggish on win11 on my Lenovo y540 (integrated GeForce whatever gaming laptop card) with 16gig of ram, now that I swapped over to Pop!_os - it doesn’t lag at all.

I mostly play single player games, but guild wars 2 2 and ff14 work great too if you are an MMO fan.

PoE works great if you want an ARPG to play.

Make the move and own your PC again.

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Can you play Games like World of Warcraft on Linux?

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I play mosty either indy games or just older games on an older gaming laptop (geforce 1070m based HP Omen) and Steam/Linux Mint work pretty great. Outer Wilds works even better in Linux now that I’ve begun using CoreCtrl to disable CPU power throttling. Otherwise, it runs about like it did on Windows. The MCC runs flawlessly. Recently purchased No Man’s Sky and it runs pretty well and is actually incredibly smooth–no idea how that one runs in Windows because I’ve been just using Linux full-time for maybe two months now.

There is some weirdness like having to process Vulcan Shades before games boot up which can be annoying, but it hasn’t discouraged me yet. You can also skip that and the only difference is there might be a bit of stuttering for the first bit of game play. After going back to Windows to compare performance, I think it does this stuttering thing anyways?

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Shader compiling is just a graphical technique. DX12 does it too. Just that, Vulkan is nice enough to tell you a bit about it, and Steam has preemptive compiling, which runs most of the compiling before running the game precisely to reduce stuttering during gameplay. If you recall when The Last of Us remake launched, a lot of people were reporting up to an hour of “Loading” time at the menu before the game was playable on first run, and some were even reporting compiling on every single run of the game just as long. That was a bug with DX12 Shader compiling and it was prominent in both consoles and Windows. It’s not a Vulkan thing, nor particular about Linux. That is just how graphically intensive games are made nowadays.

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+1 for indie games. I really think we’re living in the golden age of indie gaming with tools like Godot, Unreal, and Unity (yes, yes, I know, but Unity is probably still the most popular engine for now). As indies get empowered more and more by tools like this, and AAA studios get greedier and greedier, I can’t find any reason to play anything that isn’t from an indie game developer.

And most, nearly even all indie games work great on Linux, often even better than their Windows counterparts.

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I just skip the loading vulkan stage and it works fine for me.

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1 point

What about AAA games like cyberpunk 2077 or Armored Core VI?

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Not a gamer myself but from reading it used to be “this is a limited list of games that will work in Linux” and now it’s a “this is a limited list of games that will not work”, with a lot of thanks to valve, pop-os!, etc.

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I have been a Linux gamer for the past 10 years. I haven’t booted into Windows to play a video game in 8.

When I started out, it was very much a question of “Here is the list of games that work on Linux.” You had to look for that Steam logo next to the Windows or sometimes Apple logo on the Steam page, and there are some games I would have played years earlier had that logo been there. With Proton, it has switched to “Here is a list of the games that don’t work on Linux.” Because most just do, with the very notable exception of competitive shooters, because something something anticheat.

I often hear that games actually run better on Linux than they do on Windows, except the newer whiz-bang features don’t work. Give a recent example, apparently Cyberpunk 2077 runs at a significantly higher framerate on Linux than Windows, but DLSS, HDR and RTX aren’t available.

Let me tell you the tales of two gamers on Linux:

My tale: I was disgusted with Windows 8.1, I had been learning some Linux because I wanted to use a Raspberry Pi with my ham radio stuff, so I went…why don’t I try switching? This was circa 2014. There was exactly one game in my Steam library that just could not be persuaded to run and that was Sleeping Dogs.

There have been a few games I’ve wanted to try that refused to run in some way or another; Heave Ho! by Devolver Digital…the demo ran fine, had a good time with it. Bought the game, and the UI on the player select screen didn’t work. Grow Up or Grow Home (one is a sequel to the other, I forget which it was) launched, but the character didn’t respond to any controls. Oh and Fallout: New Vegas launched one of those Windows-style autorun screens then asked me to put in the DVD. I bought it from Steam. And refunded it.

I generally avoid AAA games, I don’t play many online multiplayer games, I do play multiplayer games with friends, stuff like Stardew Valley or Unrailed, but I don’t go play with random people online, those just are not fun to me. I tend to prefer more indie stuff, more nerdy stuff, like I’ve got hundreds of hours in Factorio and Satisfactory, both work fine. I think it just so happens that I’m into games that are likely to be well supported on Linux. Antichamber, Firewatch, Hollow Knight, Return of the Obra Dinn, every Zachtronics game I’ve tried, Undertale, Subnautica, these all run great.

My cousin: had an aging Dell upgraded from Windows 7 to 10 on an “optane boosted” hard disk drive, starting to run pretty sluggish. Swapping out the hard disk and optane module for an SSD and attempting to install Win10 on bare metal just wouldn’t work, it kept throwing cryptic errors, so to get the machine to work at all I put Linux Mint on it.

She has more mainstream tastes than I do, lots of Bethesda and EA games. Funnily enough, I found that the third-party launchers were the real problem. The Sims 4 ran pretty well on Linux…Origin barely does. Minecraft support on Linux is actually worsening with time as a result of Microsoft’s involvement, but at least the Java edition does currently run.

In brief, I have observed a very stark inverse relationship between Linux compatibility of games, and the size/corporateness/evilness of the developer.

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Luckily I don’t play multiplayer games online either. Losing DLSS is rough though

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Have you tried Red Dead Redemption 2? I’m looking at switching over to Linux soonish.

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Mildly inconvenient at worst unless certain anti cheat software is being used. At best, you can run games on Linux that your machine may not be able to handle on windows because distros that use more resources than windows are rare. Steam on Linux has proton built into it and it just works once you set it to run through it. You might have gpu driver trouble with Nvidia but it’s a maybe issue that happens less and less.

I play Baldurs Gate 3 on it and it turned out the issues I thought might be linux related were hardware, when I fixed it it worked perfectly.

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SteamOS has been a big boon to the Linux gaming world.

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Great, I play a lot on it and the only game I had to use windows for so far was titanfall 2 because it kept stuttering on linux and troubleshooting stutter is hard.

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In my experience, much of the studdering comes from the desktop environments. If you’re using Gnome, try KDE or one of the others. If it changes then it’s probably the Compositor settings. It’s a pain but once you find the right settings, oh yeah it’s great

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Pretty great actually. Not as out of the box as on Windows but almost there. Firstly you get a vastly different experience depending on if you are using Steam. Since I have my entire library on Steam I can’t say anything about other stores. There’s imo 3 points where the experience still differs:

1 - you have to enable Proton as the default compatability tool, Valve has a guide for it and the setting is pretty straightforward to find.

2 - Most games just work now but a few don’t in those cases things like protondb.com are an enormous help.

3 - Mods are hit and miss (Steam Workshop works fine) depending on the game, for Cyberpunk for example I had to mess with the Proton Config a bit but there were guides for it. However since we are now in a niche of a niche (modding a game running proton) you’re likely to run into unexplored territory

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Between Steam’s Proton Compatibility Layer and Lutris, pretty damn fine.

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16 points

This is the way

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Not every distro of Linux has gotten better, for the most part this comment is innacurate. That said, I have generally had the same experience here, but I use arch btw.

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-7 points

Downvoting the arch meme? Are the Linux people grumpy today?

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10 points

We’re always grumpy at Windows people.

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I just wanted to talk out of my ass here and drop a joke lol. I think it was the HC Linux people disagreeing that not all distro have gotten better. It was bs fluff for the meme lol

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Also: I SET A FUCKING GROUP POLICY THAT DISABLES THE SEARCH BAR; WHY THEY FUCKING IGNORE IT???****

because you dont own your pc. microfrost does

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34 points

The OS, not the PC.

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15 points

If you own a Microsoft product the technical own your balls, read the fine print

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I should ask my friend in IT about this to confirm.

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10 points

The os controls the PC. As long as it’s running it’s controlling it

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if you refer to the hardware as “PC” then you are wrong, the OS utilizes the hardware and uses it. it cannot destroy it, and even if it could by using a lot of resources, “controlling” is the wrong word here. Microsoft owns the OS, not your computer and/or its hardware

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I am sure they just replaced the gpo with another one and accidentally forgot to carry over the setting.

They new one is totally better though and will improve your experience. You should configure it.

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100 points

More and more I am considering taking a vacation with the specific goal of migrating to Linux. I’ve got decades old workflows linked to certain programs and tools that I know for sure only exist in Windows, so I’ll likely have to still run it in a VM for those, but my system setup is just kinda the place I call home the most, yet my patience for all this nonsense is rapidly declining.

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Do it, my friend. I took the leap ~5 years ago and have not once regretted it. You’re right, you have Wine and Windows VMs available, if need be. But, honestly, I bet you end up replacing those work flows with better ones within Linux before long.

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I mean, I’d like to. But some of my work requires me to use stuff like Adobe products and I find it massively easier to keep up to date with what these tools can do, if I can just muck around in my private projects (I actually care about) and then transfer the knowledge to my work stuff. I’ll mull the idea some more time. Not really interested in dual booting at all, though that might be a solid solution, but windows simply deciding to kill everything else, even if its on a different disk entirely is not a prospect I relish.

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If its for work I would suggest picking a “stable” distribution like Debian, Kubuntu or OpenSuse.

A lot of people recommend Arch or Fedora but the focus of those is getting the very latest releases, which increases your chance of stuff breaking.

A lot of people will suggest niche distributions, those can be great for specific needs but generally you will always find Debian/Ubuntu/RHEL support for commercial apps.

I would also suggest looking at the KDE Desktop, many distributions default to Gnome but it is unique in how it works, KDE (or XFCE) will provide a desktop similar to Windows 11.

Lastly I would suggest looking at Crossover Linux by Codeweavers.

Linux has something called WINE, its an attempt to implement the Windows 95 - 11 API’s so windows applications can run on linux.

WINE is how the Steam Deck/Linux is able to play Windows games. Valve embedded it into Steam and called it “Proton”.

WINE is primarily developed by Codeweavers and they provide the Crossover application that makes setting up and running a Windows application really easy.

People will mention Lutris but that has a far higher learning curve.

There is an application database so you can see in advance if your applications would work: https://appdb.winehq.org/

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There might not be a Linux native version of the adobe products available but theres a fun script that lets it run from what I experienced flawlessly on several distributions

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windows simply deciding to kill everything else, even if its on a different disk entirely is not a prospect I relish.

I’ve been dual booting for almost ten years and distro hopped a fair bit and never had that happen. Not once ever. I’ve screwed up my fair share of installs too. I think it’s one of those things that used to be a problem 20+ years ago, but is now basically a meme.

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I’m a fan of Linux, but my personal experience was filled with headaches on how to solve compability issues. It’s just a pain that some things don’t work as well as they used to with a clean windows install. So I traveled from Windows to Debian to Dualboot (win/debian) to Windows. And tbh I never looked back since then. Took too much time just to keep things running properly.

If you depend on Adobe products I would at least opt for Dualboot if I were you. Otherwise you have no safe option to return to if things don’t seem to work out as you wished.

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I’m doing it. I build a new pc every 5 to 10 years. The new monster has posted. Need a few small cables before I really get started. I was going to put an older copy of win10 pro on it. But I’m going to take the Linux leap. The tower will be free of windows from day 1.

Nobara simply because the author also wrote Proton, the Steam linux gateway. (Open to suggestions).

All AMD.

Gaming. Streaming. Internet. Video files. Voice recording. Occasional simple documents. That’s 99.99 percent of my usage.

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I would suggest OpenSUSE Thumbleweed, but I did not use it for many years. And my current distro(Gentoo) isn’t well known as entry-level. Though for me personally it was.

Also for gaming never use PulseAudio, lag is unbearable.

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Best of luck. I can’t go back to windows any more. Well, I still dual boot for one game and the digital features of my national ID cause OF COURSE that software is windows only. 😒

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In case you didn’t know or haven’t tried yet: AusweisApp2 does exist for Linux. But I assume, like me, you tried unsuccessfully already. For me, the Linux drivers of my card reader don’t work…

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3 points

I think if you have a new Perso it should be possible to utilize the NFC module in your phone

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4 points

I think we’re both German. My ID doesn’t have that yet, I dread the day where I can’t renew it without all that nonsense.

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I’m not German, so I need explaination.

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16 points

Come on. Join the dark side. We have cookies.

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But once you have tweaked things a bit, a new home is surprisingly quickly found. I mean, i know what you mean. But in the end, like or dislike boils down to a few basics and the rest accumulates over time.

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I did the switch twenty years ago, starting with dual-boot and Wine. Nowadays dual-boot is gone and I never use Wine outside of gaming.

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You’ll be surprised how much you can do with wine and mono. But even so, switching and getting a vm is a viable option

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It would be nice if lemmy made it easy to create a community or such for every program and let people join to collect the necessary knowledge together.

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huh, is it not easy to create a community? I created one a few months ago and all I needed was a name for it.

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The problem lies in reaching the people who could be interested in joining.

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windows is malware

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r/redditmoment

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the fact they did this on ltsc as well is insane

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definitely insane to do this on LTSC

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Makes me worried what Microsoft force onto us next.

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26 points

Advertising in the explorer, personalised by the files you’re looking at

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10 points

Fuck you for being right

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I doubt that they would go that far for ltsc. But maybe windows store?

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Or on znls. It’s ridiculous

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