Context (for those who don’t know): Israel and Palestine

214 points

It worked so well when they did the same thing for themselves and Ireland.

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Also that whole India/Pakistan thing. And I seem to remember some stuff happening in Africa.

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84 points

The secret ingredient is running the fuck away before either of them notice.

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57 points

And the Soviets did the same with Armenia and Azerbaijan.

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3 points

Or Moldova and Transnistria. Or Georgia and Abhazia and South Ossetia

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Because all those countries had lovely relationships among the people beforehand with absolutely no genocide and war.

Really easy to make perfect borders that makes everyone happy.

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25 points

They weren’t countries. They became countries when the colonizers (and I’m using that term as accurately as possible) lumped together into managed regions and then told them they were countries with their own governments and flags. It was all “We’re going to conquer these people and these people and these people, then put Governor Fitzroy, nephew to the Prince, in charge of all of it with a big army to back him up.” Then they wrote laws and made flags and all the happy crappy stuff they do. Then they lost WWII (because pretty much everyone except for the US lost WWII), and said “you’re on your own.”

They turned former colonies into artificial countries with governments that all but guaranteed factionalism.

There was always war, and there always will be war. But the specific type of war we’re seeing in former colonies is because of the post-colonial situation.

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63 points

It always works out fine for them. I don’t know why anybody says imperialism or colonialism are bad or destructive, seems to me that Britain and France and Spain and Portugal and the Dutch are all doing fine. Really weird how maps of their empires seem to overlap a lot with parts of the world that currently or recently experienced a lot of, idk let’s call it “troubles?” They must be dumb or smth

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Well, since those former colonies can’t quite work it out on their own, maybe they should just be brought back into their respective empires again? 🤔

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They even had a nice little name for it, The Troubles Fun Times!

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17 points

“Spicy diplomacy”

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4 points

Lmfao

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3 points

Well… it shouldn’t be an issue.

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115 points

Britain has planted the seeds of hatred and bloodshed in the middle east and is now acting as if it has no responsibility towards resolving the conflict.

It is hard to watch the British media coverage of this war acting all outraged and surprised by the violence while being proud of their historical imperial inheritance .

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33 points

Britain is laughably impotent today.

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2 points

Britain is still one the Hydra’s snake heads in World politics even today

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14 points

Nice try Boris.

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30 points

Britain and France are responsible for such an enormous fuck up in Asia, Africa and the middle east, past and present, it’s probably impossible to put it in numbers. The US gets bashed a lot (deservedly), but I think those two were planting something way more devastating for generations to come

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17 points

Don’t forget Belgium and the Dutch.

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Meanwhile, Portugal: “Hey, as long as you can barter, we’re friends!”

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One group was actually living there and the other group moved in and literally ripped people from their homes.

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That’s been happening for the last 5,000 years in that region though, since the Canaanites.

It’s not like the Palestinians were the first there.

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The Palestinians are descendants of the ancient canaanites. Most of the people in that region never left they just changed their religion at some point. This hasn’t always been happening, in Ottoman times Christians Jews and Muslims peacefully coexisted in the region.

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I mean, kinda? They’re also heavily descended from 7th Century AD Arabic conquerors, but yes, many other natives may have adopted Arabic culture, language and religion at that time.

But Jewish culture is also derived from the Canaanite culture, with arguably more overlap. Jewish culture in the region can be traced back to at least the 9th Century BC, with the literal Kingdom of Israel. So the argument of “Well who was there first?” does not necessarily favor the Palestinians over the Israelis.

This has always been happening though. It’s not like the Ottomans took over the region peacefully. It’s been conquered and re-conquered by Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans…

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That’s why I love this video, it explains it very well in a graphic manner:

https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY?si=maslr0cZLs-xmTl5

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6 people deny history.

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One group took 2 years to organize an attack on civilians, the other didnt…

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22 points

The other has been attacking them for decades…

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This was on a different level though. Taking civilian hostages? Launching rockets with the target being a music festival?

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-1 points

Both sides constantly attack civillians.

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71 points

Someone’s parents never taught them to share.

Obligatory fuck religion.

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6 points

Yeah, fuck religion

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Palestine is not a religious entity, and have been in favor of religious coexistence since the very beginning. It is the Zionist state that is exclusive of other religions by design.

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26 points

All the yelling of “Allahu akbar” while celebrating the death and destruction in Israel, would seem to be in conflict with your statement.

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1 point

Not all Palestinians are Hamas…

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-13 points

yelling of “Allahu akbar”

Saying “God is great” is problematic?

celebrating the death and destruction in Israel

They are resisting against the Zionist state founded on genocide and exclusivism. I don’t see that violating their will for coexistance.

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6 points

So then, why is their official goal to destroy Israel? Thats 100% a religious war

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4 points

Israel is by its own definition the Zionist state founded on religious exclusivism. An ethnocentric state in a land inhabited by other religions and ethnicities. It should absolutely be taken down.

religious war

Israel is not Judaism.

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53 points

Also Britain: Oh good, the UN voted in favor of splitting up the land except the entire Arab League voting against the plan? Ok, sounds good, bye guys, have fun!

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36 points

It’s like an HOA: The council is deciding how to divide up your backyard between your neighbors. The lawn owner is the only dissenting vote and then the neighborhood wonders why they are being so hostile.

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12 points

Except in this case it costs you not just your backyard but basically your entire life.

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2 points

In this case the land owner has been renting for 100 years and doesn’t really care what the tenant thinks.

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Also Britain: our troops and colonial administrators are getting killed and attacked by both groups of locals, bye guys, I’m noping out of here!

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