A generation’s fault =/= the fault of every individual in that generation
Correct. But climate change is specifically the fault only of this Grandma.
Correct. What many don’t know is that this Grandma used to be an Exxon Executive.
She also burnt our crops, poisoned our water supply and sent a plague unto our houses.
So long as we’re going ‘generational’ logic: Trump is considered the millennial president. Good luck explaining on how you let that one get in to future generations. Get comfortable with getting accused for voting him in. Even if you didn’t. You’re ‘of a generation’ and that’s all it will take.
Except it literally is the fault of like 30 people. We can directly pinpoint the cause of the problem onto the actions of specific individuals.
Everyone else could have voted for regulation to prevent them from doing those things. You can’t just expect corporations to not do evil if you allow them to. They’re heavily incentivized by the system to be as evil as possible. The solution is to limit the amount of evil they’re allowed to do.
Money isn’t real. The government isn’t real. Those two things are made real by belief. Everyone made a choice to believe in those two things.
If you spent the 80s working for communist orgs then you’re not guilty, but everyone else who did nothing during Reagan and Thatcher deserves the hate.
No but snowflakes are arguably more equal in their role and function than humans in society are. Powerless people exist, and it’s most people.
In democracies people have the option to vote for people who will regulate businesses. A business will only optimize for profit, if you want them to make environmentally friendly choices you must either make those choices mandatory or profitable. The way to do that is through politics, and people who voted for the avalanche share the blame for it.
But snowflakes literally aren’t responsible for an avalanache. A cow in a stampede has no choice but to follow the herd, it’s the whoever or whatever started the stampede/avalanche that’s responsible.
Except for cows at the edge and back, who could get out.
Which makes a new edge of the herd, which lets more cows out, and all of a sudden the stampede is just one angry bull.
No metaphor is perfect, but I think this one demonstrates rather handily that much of the “stampede” is social pressure that would dissipate rapidly if the people who could leave it did.
All this rhetoric does is make people feel good about not doing anything, though. If your government is ruining the world and you blithely sit by and even actively vote for that very same government, you are absolutely to blame.
We all have a moral obligation to fight for what’s right, obviously not everyone can be an armed revolutionary but almost everyone can organize and spread knowledge.
Well passing blame to the parallel tangent and doing nothing upstream is still being compliant. That’s this generation’s decision to act this way.
And not voting just to be compliant to a trump monster making shit worse was also this generation’s decision.
This generation will have a lot to answer for until the day they die.
Especially what with their memes like this one boasting inaction while they just sat on their phones blaming the random parallel tangents of generations of people while they do absolutely nothing to face these political issues head on.
Blaming a geriatric in a wheel chair who probably burned more bras than they ever did doesn’t make waves in the political sea. But these people know that cuz they have absolutely no intention of doing anything productive. This meme is just further disappointment of the absolute trash and failure of the current generation inaction. It screams how they refuse to do anything effective. They like their life the way it is. They just don’t want any responsibility of the choices they make that could be different. So it’s just easier for them to pretend it’s the previous generation (each and every person of it) somehow withholding their power of choice.
Your correct. The USA is a democratic country and climate change was known about for a while now. So it’s probably more accurate to say that most of the individuals in that generation. Had a responsibility to address it and they didn’t.
Now, I sympathize. A lot of the corporate pressure to do nothing about it back then is still here today. But it doesn’t change the fact that nothing was done.
I am not placing morale judgement on anyone here. Life is hard and complicated and when you have big business working against you it is doubly so. But that doesn’t change the fact that they messed up and it’s causing a lot of damage.
Let’s learn from their mistakes so we don’t mess up in the same way.
The USA is a democratic country and climate change was known about for a while now.
I’ve seen some videos where US citizens are proud that it is not democracy and does not have national elections, instead it has electoral college. Well, at least USA did something good and sanctioned putin’s rocketmaker.
I mean, it’s reasonable to say they could have done something and failed to do so. However, when you start to dig into what they could have done, it’s hard to think of anything particularly effective and easy to see why they could have been convinced into inaction. So you could say they made a mistake, but were not fully at fault. The ones at fault are the ones who have been convincing them.
I like to say that responsibility isn’t neatly divided up into percentages. Someone can be fully 100% responsible for something that happened, but other people can have some minor responsibility also. There’s no threshold between being responsible or not, either, it’s a sliding scale. When assigning responsibility and blame it’s important to remember these things.
it’s hard to think of anything particularly effective
A communist revolution. And don’t give me that “they didn’t know” crap, there were communists fighting the good fight back then.
Grandma must pay for her sins. We might not be able to save the world, but maybe we can avenge it.
I wish she would. But nooooo they are just gonna die while guzzling down her payments, for which I have to work 10 years longer for and will get less no matter what.
I AM SO SICK OF IT
Edit: I don’t want to avenge anything anymore. I am just so tired of this hopeless situation, where no one who could do something, does anything to prevent it.
I wish. People are getting called ecoterrorist already, if they glue themselves to the street and hold up traffic a little. I would have to blow up the government or sth to really make a point. Thats nothing I can do.
Rather ‘The Avengers vs Climate Activists’
It’s really not the fault of any individual. Well okay yes it is, but it’s like 200 individuals at the very upper echelons of society.
Are we gonna ignore that literally everyone voted for Reagan in the 80s?
Except based Minnesota? Weird.
No more than we will never forget that Trump is the president that millenials voted for.
At least if we’re using ‘generational blame’ logic: good luck on explaining how you let trump in to the future generations.
“Trump lost the popular vote, kids. The Electoral College allows for small states to have oversized impacts on presidential elections.”
There you go.
Voting for Trump was highly correlated with age. Every age group under 40 had over 50% support for Clinton; every age group above had a plurality voting for Trump.
In the 1980 election, though, the only age range that voted more for Carter than Reagan was 18-24 year olds.
And unlike Trump, Reagan convincingly won the popular vote - he got 8 million more votes than Carter. Trump lost the popular vote.
Those two elections aren’t really comparable. Reagan won in a landslide; Trump barely sqeaked by because he barely won a few key swing states - in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, he won by less than 1% of the vote.
It’s the fault of many individuals, voting and acting together.
In the US, when you look at the end use of e.g. electricity, 29% of emissions are due to transportation, 30% are industrial, 11% is agriculture, and the other 30% is from commercial and residential.
Over 50% of transportation emissions are cars, SUVs, minivans and pickups. Why? Because the US suburbanized and we bulldozed cities to build wide roads and large parking lots.
That’s partially due to people like Robert Moses, and partially due to things like white flight, Euclidean zoning, single family zoning, etc. The greatest generation, the silent generation and boomers have repeatedly voted for and implemented local NIMBY policies that have resulted in car centric suburban sprawl that’s terrible for the planet.
My grandma used to say she didn’t give a fuck about climate change because she’s old and she’ll be dead before it destroys the earth. Now she needs the air con to live in summer. I hope she dies of heat stroke.
found the old person who feels responsible but unable to handle knowing they’re at fault
Yeah, we had really crap parents. Honestly the worst generation of parents to ever exist in history. Just complete garbage human beings.
So did they. So what’s your excuse to keep doing it? If you think they can choose to be different so could you.
I remember when we used to have to squeeze our Halloween costumes over our snowsuits in Canada because it was too cold to go without. I don’t find it that cold anymore. And snow every December. I only ever saw one green Christmas as a kid in the 1980s.
I hate this timeline so much.
Every time there is snow we make damn sure to get our kids outside to enjoy it. I hate to say it out loud but at the rate we’re going I’m not at all certain we’ll still have snow here in a few years. And I’m in Wisconsin, we’re supposed to be part of the frozen north.
Every single year winter gets milder. It snows later and thaws earlier. I have to make sure my sump pump is ready to run year round. We used to ice fish around Thanksgiving. Now I barely get to go ice fishing at all unless I drive north a couple hours.
Depends on where you are in Canada. It still gets snowy in some parts mid October
