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Literally nothing stops the government making “the voice” without changing the constitution. The only reason they want it in the constitution is so future governments can’t change the function of the body.

The whole thing is an organised circus for political gain and dividing the population.

In the past, the government had a “voice” for the indigenous for like 10 years. Just bring it back, no constitutional change needed.

If you’re going to try put an aboriginal rights group in the constitution, just make it basic human rights group with representation for everyone. Basic human rights that are severely lacking in Australia. Freedom of speech? We don’t even have that.

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Who is preventing your speech?

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Let me guess, ‘woke green loonies who use cancel culture’.

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Isn’t the fact that it was taken away before a justification for enshrining it in the constitution?

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Like every other advisory body, it’s the role of the elected government to manage (as it would continue to be if added to the constitution, they could just reduce it to one underfunded person instead of disbandening it, or create a new group).

Just vote for the party you want to represent you. The current government doesn’t have a “voice” for the indigenous despite proposing this constitutional change.

It’s like complaining about others possibly hampering your climate change efforts so you instead make none at all

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Lol why is it still surprising that Europeans don’t give a shit about the atrocities they’ve committed, or the land they’ve stolen? Come on y’all, they’ve been at it for like 600 years. It’s like expecting the methhead to stop doing meth.

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Hey keep Europeans out of it, stop the generalization. Specifically it was britishers so

fuck the british

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Fair. My bad homie.

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Europeans? Do you call Americans Europeans too? How long ago must a nation be established before they become their own entity to you? You might as well call us all Pangeans!

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Well I’m not gonna call you Native Australians. You’re European Australians. Or if you want me to put it differently, people that look like Europeans are from Europe, doesn’t matter if your mom birthed you elsewhere, you’re still European.

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All the non european migrants i work with are voting no. They see the voice as racist and, like you, view indigenous issues as the fault of white people and therefore not their problem.

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I have the exact same experience. Most of the people with an anglo saxon background are voting yes, most of the people from other backgrounds are voting no. Some of the reasons given is because they think it will privilege one group over another, they don’t like the idea of one group being identified for “special treatment”, etc.

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And yet when I say it suddenly I’m the racist, because of my skin color, despite being from a refugee family. Its stunning

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I’m voting yes, and i have tried to help people see why it’s a good thing, but when people call me racist for saying I’m in the yes camo, i know that far too many are just morons who have no critical thinking, or ability to tell what is a good source of information.

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Adding a new governmental body that is open to only one racial group is racist and it is also undemocratic.

Your vote is well intentioned its just poorly informed. You’ve been propagandised.

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You idiots have the same repeated talking points and they are just plain wrong.

In late 2023, Australians will have their say in a referendum on whether to recognise Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia in the Constitution through an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.

Not just one group, but two. And they are not racial you fuckwit, they are geographical and historical groupings.

Cultures have value and our First Nations are owed a debt. We live on their lands, we benefit from their experience. We owe them so much and this is just a vote for First Nations to be formally represented in parliament.

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They’re not racial groups? Are you fucking kidding me? You absolute Muppet.

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No matter how many downvotes you get on Lemmy you still have the majority of your countrymen on your side so at the end of the day you still win.

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Which is a damn shame too cos most tkof them are doing because they’re just as uninformed as the yes side.

Its fucking brexit all over again.

Some discussion and informed decision making wouldn’t go astray, but its a bit fucking late now

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…casually failing to mention that the “one racial group” are the traditional land owners who lost their land and 50,000 year-old culture due to colonisation.

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And what does that have to do with our modern (and future) Democratic nation?

None of us took anything from any others of us. Its a totally irrelevant point.

We can’t go around changing g the fundamental nature of democracy because of historical tragedies or in 15 minutes we’ll be back to fucking tribalism and feudal lords.

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This is always an interesting one - who is “propagandising” us, and what do they have to gain from their significant investment in advancing this agenda?

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Well I mean, have you researched the issue, analyzed it, and developed your own position based on evidence?

Or are you just listening to what comes out of the TV?

If you get your opinions from someone who hands them to you fully formed (like Voice good, no voice racist) then that is propaganda, not information.

As to your second question - a: politicians scoring points and winning elections; and b: a whole lot of people who get a hand in deciding laws and economic decisions for their own special group.

And before you bang out the line about lobby groups all having a say already - yes of course we should fuck those off as well because they too are undemocratic corruption

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'cos Aussies love racism

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