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Just so ya’ll know, EULAs are routinely thrown out of court.

They straight up don’t matter, and anything that is extremely long and asks you to ‘agree’ to it is subject to the same scrutiny.

All of the times we clicked agree without reading actually helped us, because now courts can say “nobody reads that stuff before hitting accept.”

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The EU has said that EULAs have zero basics in law and we can ignore them.

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2 points

US will say, “give us money Nintendo. We got your back.”

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7 points

They’re basically there to reduce lawsuits, not prevent them.

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82 points

Anyone still buying Nintendo products at this point isn’t paying attention.

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I see Nintendo emulation / mod chipping / console hacking I support it. Toxic company deserves a return in kind for its abuse of its fanbase.

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At this point, I guess they are either ignorant, unethical, or they are just lying to themselves because they can’t resist the temptation to play their games.

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Look I don’t fault developers for kissing the ring. I know and have spoken with multiple devs at different Nintendo affiliated companies and they don’t enjoy it either but it lets them make the games they love for the people that they want to entertain.

I can’t say I support hating a full group of people because that’s not great either. “… except for the Amish but it’ll never get back to them” - John Pinette

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In my case, I don’t hate them. I respect those devs, people have to put food on their tables somehow, and this way isn’t one of the worst… I just believe that by doing so, we are helping to perpetuate vicious corporativism.

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I‘ll still buy their controller because you can‘t sue Chinese companies either so what‘s the difference? However I‘ll use it for PC gaming. No way I‘m going back to their ecosystem. Those days are gone.

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Anyone still buying anything they can get for free at this point isn’t paying attention.

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Just how an NDA won’t protect a(n) person/entity from legal repercussions when committing crimes from being “leaked” doesn’t mean it’ll hold in court, just how these highly illegal and predatory EULAs shouldn’t either. There’s a reason why this bullshit only happens in America, this EULA elsewhere wouldn’t work unless it’s modified to not contain this blatant shit of a thing. It’s a shame we’re the few dumb enough to allow our own downfall while parading our aggressors. 🫠🫠🫠

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I am very happy to be living in Austria. We have this law right here https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/NormDokument.wxe?Abfrage=Bundesnormen&Gesetzesnummer=10002462&Artikel=&Paragraf=6&Anlage=&Uebergangsrecht= (And yes, our laws are available for free and up-to-date for everyone)

Section 6(1)(14) of the Austrian Consumer Protection Act states that any contractual provision requiring a consumer to waive their right to assert claims is invalid.

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Wow, is this not the case everywhere? People can’t know the laws of their own country without paying? 😵‍💫

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What sort of half assed reporting came up with this story? This is not a new policy. If I remember right, Nintendo added a forced arbitration clause to their EULA about 10 years ago (I would try to find an exact date, but Google is flooded with articles parroting this story).

It came up with regards to Joy-Con drift in 2017: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/2:2020cv01694/292704/21/

Should companies be allowed to force arbitration as a shield against all law suits? Hell fucking no, but their lawyers say they can, so any company with a EULA written by a half decent lawyer includes the wording.

At this point, the only reason anyone would complain that a company includes the clause is rage bait.

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I was so happy to go through the Steam EULA and find that it explicitly states that all disputes will be heard in the court local to the customers.

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That was a recent change, and it’s still anti-consumer. It’s an attempt to block class action suits.

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Yeah, if I recall the change was because so many people took them to arbitration at the same time that the cost wasn’t worth it, so they changed the policy to ‘local court’ to avoid the situation repeating while also sidestepping any large class action attempts.

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There’s a good chance that clause won’t hold up in court, but proving that would require a lot of time and money.

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Exactly why they put it. You would first need to win a trial to get the clause voided and then win another trial to get actual damages or you can go to arbitration and get a modest settlement. Most people will take the latter.

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