https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy

Francis Julius Bellamy (May 18, 1855 – August 28, 1931) was an American Christian socialist Baptist minister and author.[1] He is best known for writing the original version of the Pledge of Allegiance in 1892.

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It was always a tool of indoctrination. As it turns out, if you say something often enough, true or not, you tend to believe it.

To make it make sense, ask yourself “was this ever really true?” And, of course nothing is perfect, but what I mean to invoke is the idea that perhaps it was never even remotely true.

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Everyone on the outside is definitely wondering what the point was if you guys don’t uphold it.

We thought it was a nuts ritual before but now it’s just cultish.

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If Metallica released their 1988 album And Justice for All today, MAGA would whine and accuse them of going “woke”.

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Ironically, classic rock/metal is having a really hard time grasping the concept of not being assholes

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Yeah, I grew up as a huge Megadeth fan. They had a lot of anti-war, anti-religion, anti-establishment lyrics. Imagine my surprise when Dave Mustaine turned out to be a conservative.

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I think a lot of the classic rock vibe was about being anti-establishment, with little or no care for the actual ideas behind it. MAGA people see themselves as anti-establishment (despite, you know, everything), so it makes sense that a lot of the more superficial classic rock people would adopt it as their persona.

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me too. huge disappointment, even though i still like his output.

doing that much drugs and alcohol will inevitably fuck up your head.

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Twisted Sister: “We’re not gonna take it!”

Narrator: “They did, in fact, continue to take it.”

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Dee Snider at least had the conviction to stand up in front of Congress (Along with John Denver and Frank Zappa) to defend against music censorship (fuck you Tipper Gore). He’s not exactly a radical leftist but he’s been consistently pro-Ukraine and vocally opposed to Trump (and George W. before that)

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“They also did not fight for their right to party.”

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If there is no “liberty and justice for all” then there is no “one nation, indivisible”.

Time to split.

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The Constitution is an agreed upon framework of rights and laws in this country. If the executive branch fails to uphold any part of it, you do not have an individual responsibility to follow it. “President” trump has violated the emoluments clause, and should have been impeached immediately. He is attacking birthright citizenship, ignoring court orders, including orders from the Supreme Court. It is the literal definition of unconstitutional.

At this point the law in America is : Do whatever the fuck you want, as long as you have the guns and propensity for violence to back it up. Most people just haven’t realized it yet. The only way out is for Congress to swiftly (hah) impeach Trump (hah again), put his ass in jail (hah x3) before people start shooting. We may already be too late. This charade has gone on too long.

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Do whatever the fuck you want, as long as you have the guns and propensity for violence to back it up. you’re wealthy and powerful enough to get away with it.

Start shooting and you’ll be killed or sent to El Salvador for the rest of your life. The majority of the population would have to act simultaneously to overwhelm the military and law enforcement.

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Most of the people who have “we the people” plastered on their car probably don’t realize the preamble to the constitution also says “insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare”.

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Welfare? WELFARE??

They would froth at the mouth and collapse.

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Boondocks vibes

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That was such a great show.

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I bet that most of those people if told there was a country (without telling them which country it was) whose constitution says they must “promote the general Welfare” would say that it must be a Communist country.

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“The Founding Fathers were Welfare Queens!”

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Every accusation is a confession.

They’re so hard for patriotism because they themselves are traitorous cunts and they assume everyone is and needs to be kept in line.

I got in-school suspension for refusing to stand for the pledge, they told the kid from Puerto Rico they’d ship him back on the dingy he sailed in on.

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Im still blown away at the amount of our population that doesn’t know puerto rico can come and go to any of the 50 states whenever they want…

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Damn, when/where was that? I was raised in Alabama and didn’t stand/recite the pledge a few times in high school around 2010 and didn’t get in trouble for it. Definitely got some snide remarks and looks, but never actually in trouble.

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Phillipsburg High School, New Jersey. IIRC. ~2003

Not long after 9.11 so things were a bit tense I guess.

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Yeah especially so close to NYC. That makes sense, unfortunately.

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