Iran has told Israel through the UN that it will intervene if the country’s operations against Hamas in Gaza continue, a report has claimed.
Israel has warned 1.1 million people living in the north of the enclave to evacuate ahead of an expected ground operation in Gaza with the IDF planning to strike the territory from land, sea and air.
Iran’s involvement could be through a militant group from Syria or by backing Hezbollah to join the conflict, diplomatic sources told Axios.
Meanwhile, Iran’s foreign minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said that Israel’s operations could cause fighting to expand to other areas of the Middle East which would cause Israel to suffer “a huge earthquake”, reported the Associated Press.
Israel is 110% not going to heed this warning in the absolute slightest.
Iran does not pose a credible military threat to Israel. They only have a couple of options - terrorist attacks from their proxies, maybe a cross-border incursion from Lebanon that would be a slaughter and change the balance of power there, or an air strike. Israel is so amped up right now that they’d respond with airstrikes inside Iran, and US carrier groups are in the area with no misunderstanding as to what they signify.
This is saber-rattling for theatrics.
Iran are not wrong though, Israel need to chill.
It’s really annoying how the mainstream media is like yeah this is cool, when they’re commuting atrocities no better than Hamas committed.
I don’t know what it is with Israel that makes the world walk on eggshells but they have committed horrific acts and they should be called out on it.
Fucking monsters the Israeli government are.
They might not be wrong about Israel committing atrocities. They would be wrong to add to it by committing atrocities of their own. The article certainly doesn’t seem to indicate they’ll “intervene” in a benign manner, and their track record is as blemished or worse.
This is doubly dumb if Israel is like they say. There is zero chance Israel would back down if Iran intervened; really, they’d probably have no issue extending the rampage to Iran as well. More people will die horribly.
It’s not right to sit and watch everyone commit various crimes against humanity. But adding your own violence with absolutely no chance at preventing loss of life, as Iran is implying they will do here, is somehow worse than apathy.
I’m happy to believe you, but do you have any sources besides för middleeasteye.net that lists the atrocities Israel’s done? I can find the atrocities Hamas has done everywhere, but the eye seems to be the only place I can find claims that Israel has done stuff that is wrong.
Yeah, the only thing Israel is concerned about is the international reputation. They know they can’t go full ham, even now every western government in support is dropping the “and I am SURE Israel will keep to international law” as a hint and reminder that there is a limit somewhere.
Probably not all that much, to be honest. Look at India and Pakistan. That would be the closest example here.
Nuclear weapons’ most important role today is preventing an all out invasion of the country. Israel is already a nuclear power. They could launch a nuclear attack on Iran at any time. They don’t, for obvious reasons. Russia could launch a nuclear attack on Ukraine. They don’t, for equally obvious reasons.
I started my career in Soviet analysis, and ended up knowing quite a bit about the role of nuclear weapons in foreign and military policies. In the early days (50s), we thought it would be possible to fight and win a nuclear war. I don’t think anyone thinks that anymore.
There is no scenario which includes Russia using a nuclear weapon against Ukraine that does not end with the end of the Putin government if not the end of Russia as we know it. It wouldn’t even need to be a global nuclear war for that to happen.
The same holds true for India and Pakistan, which like I said is the best analogy. Implacable enemies with religious and territorial disputes, screwed over by colonialism, and ongoing low level violence.
Israel-Iran is the same, only more so. The I-P conflict doesn’t have the US as an unquestioning ally, unlike Israel. I-P have about 150 weapons each. Israel is estimated to have 100. Iran has 0, and even if and when they start production, they’ll have 5-10. And then you have to factor in the delivery of the weapon, which would be the opposition between the Iranian and Israeli (and US) air forces, with predictable results.
It’s signaling to the region.
Israel has a strong military for sure but they can’t fight every country. Also, declaring war on the Muslim world is not something Israel can win even with Western support.
And did you say Russia was just saber-rattling back when they invaded Ukraine?
Clearly the statement from Iran had some impact, USA already released a statement that they want to avoid a larger conflict.
So you’re ok with a world where everyone backs down at the word of Iran??
If it’s good enough for elected US representatives, it’s good enough for me.
They were talking about ethics, something an elected official would know nothing about.
Not really, people have a right to defend themselves, and security is a human right.
Defending yourself? Of course that’s a right. Making bank from WAR? Probably not.
So you expect that at some point in the future of mankind, there will be a period with no active conflict and weapons snuggling? 😂 my sweet child…
So you expect that at some point in the future of mankind, there will be a period with no active conflict and weapons snuggling?
As soon as we can learn to share resources and land.
I wish… Archeology shows, that people have been killing people since before proper tribes where formed. Call me a pessimist, but i don’t see a future where we truly learn to life peacefully.
So this could widen to Israel/USA/UN(?) vs Iran/Syria/Lebanon(Hezbollah)/Gaza(Hamas) which would essentially be The War on Terror II. Which means another ~20yrs in the Middle East. Oh goody.
Just what the world needs. I am getting some faint WWI vibes too. Maybe I am just being paranoid. But it seems like this could expand to more middle eastern countries than you’ve listed, should things go horribly wrong. I could also see this being turned into another proxy war—revenge by Russia for Western support for Ukraine.
I’m worried it might go further than that and devolve into a full-blown WWIII. I know that may seem far-fetched, especially since Israel isn’t technically part of NATO, however the US is still a major Israeli ally. If Iran gets involved, it’ll likely pull the US into the fight (though probably not with troops on the ground initially). If the US gets involved, Russia might get involved to keep the US busy and away from Ukraine. If Iran starts to become successful with Russian backing, the US might start putting troops on the ground to defend Israel, especially since if Israel collapses then Hamas will almost certainly commit genocide against Jewish Israelis. This would pull attention away from Taiwan, which means China may be tempted to seize the chance and invade while the US is getting spread thin. Meanwhile, Russia would likely seize the opportunity to make a hard push against Ukraine while the US is busy elsewhere. I’m not sure what India would do in this situation. I’m guessing that if China invaded Taiwan, then they might try to take the chance and fortify their borders while China’s busy and maybe back up Taiwan, if for any reason just to limit China’s global power; however I’m not really familiar with India’s diplomatic ties.
I hope I’m wrong, I’m probably wrong, but there’s a lot of tension in the world right now with Russia and China both trying to expand into other territories, and I honestly feel like we aren’t that far off a full-blown, WWI-style descent into another world war. I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia in particular is trying to push Iran into a war with Israel just so that the US quits funding Ukraine’s defense.
Hope you’re wrong too.
I don’t like the idea of Hezbollah / Iran getting involved at all. That’s why two US Navy carrier groups will be in the area shortly. Wouldn’t be surprised if Russia pushes for that involvement though. And I could see us bolstering Israel with air power at a minimum.
I don’t think Russia has anything to spare for a big push, and I don’t see any reason to think our Intelligence community can’t juggle Ukraine, Taiwan, and Gaza simultaneously. Even if we were distracted, we aren’t involved enough in Ukraine for it to matter imo. But you might be right about finding. The right wingers in congress would probably get louder about dropping funding.
China going for Taiwan amidst all this would make this quite a circus. Ugh.
I do not think you are paranoid. Maybe not straight out world war, but more war in the Middle East and Northern Africa. Egypt for example is suspiciously silent in the matter, although they are already trying to negotiate with Israel to curb the influx of Palestinian refugees. They sit straight at the border and their help for people in Gaza is still just discussed. I am sure they know other countries are watching their decisions on this.
Some people do not want to accept it but this is very much a war between religions as well. For many Muslims there is only one correct answer: Israel has to go. It’s part of their identity to want the area to be a Muslim country. This also has an effect on countries everywhere. For example in Germany there is a huge drive to stand behind Israel in this matter. At the same time, Germany has a big Muslim immigrant population.
And this can easily lead to more wars in the Middle East. Once more, innocent will die, and soldiers will not return home because stupid bloodlusting leaders of Israel, Iran, and Hamas just can’t get enough blood.
Real question: why is the us so involved with israel?
Is it just a “sunk cost fallacy” thing or is it any more than that?
It feels weird sinking so much money for someone else’s wars over so many decades… like trillions over wars and apart from ukraine recently its been always and only israel demanding the aid
Real question: why is the us so involved with israel?
they’re meant to be a main ally in the middle east for the US
most of the other countries are either allied with Russia/China/Iran/etc or too unstable
there’s also massive israel lobbying in the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_States
tbh kinda the US’s only ally. Turkey kinda is, and Saudi Arabia really just sells us oil.
The US is a global, industrial empire. To maintain that position, we need to make sure threats to our influence are kept to a minimum, and we need to provide security to the global trade system that we and our allies benefit from. Israel is aligned with the West culturally and ideologically, and so it’s a natural partner, and given its location in an oil-rich region, right next to the Suez Canal, and a stone’s throw from or bordering several of our major global adversaries’ proxies, it’s a natural and necessary ally.
Anything else, like the Evangelicals’ bizarre obsession, is purely coincidence or post-facto.
Half of evangelicals support Israel because they believe it is important for fulfilling end-times prophecy
According to prophecy, Israel must exist to bring about rapture, when Jesus’s followers will ascend to heaven and everyone else will be killed. Since they are not followers of Christ all Israelis would be killed.
They probably think they’re s clever. “Silly Jews, you think you’ve got such a good deal with all this free money but wait until the magic sky man comes and murders every one of you in cold blood because that’s what somebody who claims to love people does, murders billions of them, and you’re first! Ha ha. Silly magic sky man, doesn’t even know about all the loopholes.”
We have a lot of enemies out that way and so do they, so we became allies and support them because it’s in our best interest. We keep supporting them because apparently they’ve held up whatever end of the bargain we request and for the US money is easy.
Well a few years back a group of really nasty people tried to murder every Jewish person. Then a thing or two happened, the USA nuked a few cities because the State in which those cities existed allied themselves with the people that wanted to murder all the Jews.
Now, we have the back of the Jews, and one of Hamas’ stated purposes is to murder all the Jews. Makes sense we’d be interested in keeping that from happening. Genocide is kind of a bad thing.
Because the US realises that the goal of groups like Hamas and Hisbollah from Iran, and many other extremist Muslim groups, is to get rid of all Jews in the area. But it seems like on Lemmy many people are okay with genocide, as long as it targets the “right” group of people.
There were/are many genocides over the past 70 years for which the US had/has the chance to intervene. If this was really our goal, why haven’t/don’t we step in for them?
There were/are many genocides over the past 70 years for which the US had/has the chance to intervene. If this was really our goal, why haven’t/don’t we step in for them?
Because at some point people have to figure out their own shit for themselves.
America can’t be the policeman for the world forever, fixing everyone’s problems 24/7. We have our own problems to focus on as well.
We usually get involved when things get extreme, or when someone’s trying to keep us from the oil (just keeping it real).
But it seems like on Lemmy many people are okay with genocide, as long as it targets the “right” group of people.
There are also many who do not want to see anyone get hurt.
And there are also many who want to support a terrorist implicitly by not explicitly denouncing his actions, just because their leftist ideology demands it from them
The only reason the US wouldn’t be on the side of the European colonists bringing god and civilization to a deserted wasteland full of annoying houses and mysteriously angry natives is antisemitism. Once that calmed down criticizing Israel is criticizing US history and that would be woke.
