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He was in an asylum and reported hearing voices. He’s a trained army vet and a gun instructor. And they let him keep his guns.

Fuck every single Republican.

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It’s okay. The other voice inside his head is a good guy with a gun.

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Hah. Fucking gold.

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Also worth mentioning he threatened to shoot up the local National Guard base prior to this shooting.

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SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

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Let’s also remember that one of the first things Republicans did in 2017 was remove a check on people with mental health issues from purchasing firearms. Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses (NBC News 27Feb2017)

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Insane. This was 200% preventable

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More and more Democrats are also gun lovers so fuck all gun people, get rid of all the guns and you get rid of the issue.

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Actually if you’re involuntarily committed you already lose your right to firearms (iirc there are steps to regain your rights, but they were not taken here). Red flag laws aren’t just bad from a “gun” standpoint, they’re bad because “innocent until proven guilty” gets thrown out the window and it becomes “guilty until you can prove you’re not crazy,” and proving the negative is always a more difficult position. It perverts our whole justice system, and while I have issues with other things doing the same thing (racism for example), adding more is imo not a good idea. I’d rather see them actually enforce the laws we already have which while more stringent than “my roomate seems unstable,” also would have prevented this. I mean the guy was commited (making him a prohibited purchaser) and displayed violent ideation to a degree that warrants keeping him for a little while, so they let him out, don’t take his current guns, and afaik fail to input his commital to NICs, that’s three things that already could and should have been done in this specific case red flag laws withstanding.

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Gun restrictions aren’t enough though, the problem is people in general having access to guns.

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I don’t really buy that. I think it’s right-wing astroturfers trying to muddy the waters while gun lobbyists seek to tap into another market.

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To be fair, Democrats generally want reasonable restrictions on guns, such as ones that would have prevented this person from owning them and more liberal ones would have supported mental health programs to help this person not reach this point, Republicans want neither.

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I’m in favor of mental health checks on an annual basis. Crazy people shouldn’t have access to guns. And you can bipartisan this all you want, the VAST majority of irresponsible gun owners are REPUBLICANS (or whatever center->right bullshit title they choose. LiBeRrRtaRrRiANz

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They won’t address the mental health problems of this nation because it isn’t profitable to do so.

They won’t address the gun problem of this nation because of something a slaver jotted down 200+ years ago. And guns are profitable.

They won’t address mass shootings because then you wouldn’t be living in fear of them and would have time realize how they have ruined everything in the name of profits.

America is doomed for as long as we care about profit more than people

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I would like to point out that Reagan dismantled funding for our mental health system and was responsible for the closing of many mental health treatment centers, and Republicans have (to my knowledge) voted against every effort to resurrect it.

They won’t support restrictions on gun ownership because they say the problem is mental health, but they won’t support spending on mental health either. (Most likely because they seem to oppose anything that would actually help people who suffer.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980

https://sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html

This last one is a ddg search - you can just pick which article you want to read about Republicans voting against mental health funding.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=republicans+vote+against+mental+health+funding

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The Republican party really is a hollow shell occupied only by those willing to distract and harm the people rather than help them.

That’s the politicians and donors at least. They also have a lot of useful idiots.

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They won’t address the mental health problems because it’s all part of a strategy to keep people scared.

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Also for hospital systems it’s wildly unprofitable. You make your money in two places in medicine, elective surgeries and in the emergency department. Mental healthcare is slow, in the extreme cases you’re dealing with unpleasant patients that are hostile to the care you’re trying to provide, and you often have to house them and feed them for extended periods of time knowing they don’t have any money to reimburse you.

That’s why the hospital I’m working at has built a multimillion dollar cardiac surgery tower (not a unit, not a few floors, an entire tower), but scrapped the plans to rebuild the aging and woefully inadequate inpatient psych facility.

If we can’t squeeze every cent from you we will only do the bare minimum that the CMC requires from us.

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Making healthcare a for profit endeavour is not in the best interests of society as a whole.

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You could adress it, but it wont save the problem. Look at europe, we ban guns, we dont shoot people every day. We still have mental health problems.

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America is doomed for as long as we care about profit more than people

Sorry to break this to you but that’s the literal back bone of your country lol. Slaves much? You still have slavery to this day!

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Not actual slavery – you can always quit your job and starve to death under a freeway overpass.

But I think a lot of corporate America would love actual slavery. Look at the way Amazon treats warehouse workers.

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I believe they mean the incarcerated. They can be used legally as slaves.

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No, slavery is baked into your constitution, and allows the use of slave labor. To this day. Literally. The 13th amendment. Actual slavery.

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It’s almost like guns aren’t a good idea 🤔🤔🤔

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CNN that Card is a certified firearms instructor and a member of the US Army Reserve.

Yup sounds about right

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Another Trump-loving America First terrorist.

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His “liked” tweets include content published by Donald Trump Jnr., Tucker Carlson and Dinesh D’Souza. He also liked tweets by former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordan, according to the screenshots.

Yup, but color me completely unsurprised like you because — guess what — the vast majority of all politically-motivated acts of violence including murders come from the right-wing side of the political spectrum. This isn’t even a recent phenomenon; this extends throughout our history.

So don’t tell anyone it’s a BoTh SiDeS thing. These people are mentally-ill and so damn gullible when it comes to misinformation. They generally lack education and critical-thinking skills to distinguish truth from fiction. They are generally in positions of low self-esteem (e.g., incels) or socioeconomically struggling and thus they feel vindicated when they can believe in something bigger than themselves — or especially to blame someone other than themselves.

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I heard they go by “America First” because it describes their terrorism hit list.

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Felt like it had been a while since I read about a mass shooting in the USA.

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Just because they don’t report shootings under ten kills anymore does not mean they don’t happen. But mass shootings, i.e. incidents where four or more people are killed) are still daily occurances in the US.

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That definition is so ridiculous. Shoot 100 without killing a single one? That wasn’t a mass shooting.

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I would say that’s a mass shooting, just not a mass killing

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Now that would be newsworthy for being the most inept American gun owner.

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Just because they don’t report shootings under ten kills anymore does not mean they don’t happen.

I never said or implied otherwise?

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The last one was August 26th according to this wikipedia list, which is 60 days ago. But there were 2 in August 3 days apart, so… I guess it has been a while by comparison.

But only if you don’t look at this other list on Wikipedia. This list has only 1 of a chosen set of sources who referred to it as a mass killing, the other lists mass killings where 2+ of their sources called it a mass killing. I wonder how long the 3+ sources list will be before it gets it own fork.

I remember a time when each would be the center of news for at least a week.

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Yep. I got real suspicious when the first list said August, which is when I noticed it said that I should also look at the “more comprehensive” list. I opened that up and thought “yeah, yesterday, that sounds about right”.

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We only hear about the big ones these days.

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Yeah it’s been like a month at least.

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