Exclusive: Majority of British people found to have ‘shockingly little’ knowledge about Black British history

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She would have expected people to name figures such as Quintus Lollius Urbicus, who became governor of Roman Britain

Look, I know everyone in Britain is required to know the names and dates of all the monarchs going back to the 9th century, but expecting everyone to be able to come up with that name when put on the spot is going a little too far.

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I wouldn’t really think of Roman governors of Britain as a “British historical figure”, more like a “Roman historical figure who happened to be stationed in Britain”, same as with modern diplomats or military leaders.

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Also, is it even confirmed he was black? I mean Algerian people are not exactly black. Could be wrong though. Don’t know if there are any ancient scripts describing him.

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His father was a Berber, and his mother was Roman if I’m not mistaken. Doesn’t sound like he was black.

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Yeah you’ll see this a lot with Roman history anyone who lived on the continent of Africa has to be black. It’s a way of oddly, well I guess whitewashing isn’t the exact right term I’m looking for, but oversimplifying I guess history? I’ve taken the Nuance out of things. Also of diminishing other North African cultures.

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But isn’t Roman just a blanket term for a ton of different ethnicities and nationalities?

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Whilst I am sympathetic to the overall aim of this, things like this:

She would have expected people to name figures such as Quintus Lollius Urbicus, who became governor of Roman Britain

…do stand out as being a a bit unrealisitic. I mean, how many governors of Roman Britain of any race or nationality can the typical Briton actually name? I’d be surprised if it was more than 1 and probably less than that.

And if the expectation is that anyone would know of this guy only because his chief contribution to history is “being black” then I am not sure what we are gaining here.

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I couldn’t name any Roman governor, of any race, ethnicity, or governate.

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I’m fairly sure you know who Caesar was.

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He played the Joker against Adam West’s Batman.

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Gaius Iulius Caesar never only briefly was a Governor but more known as a Consul before … Well Caesar.

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three quarters couldn’t name a white one either.

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They can name kings, queens and some prime ministers.

But given how incredibly white the UK historically was, they’re all obviously white.

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I can name like 8 Henrys because they come in a sequence (I presume).

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If you add Lenny Henry to the end, you win a prize.

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Okay. So half of britons can’t name a black british historical figure? So what? That means HALF of britons CAN name a black british historical figure.

Personally I cannot name a single black british historical figure off the top of my head. But I also kind of find it offensive that people want to separate historical figures into “black” and “white” (and maybe others… who knows?). Do we need to have a catagory for every type and mix? Like ffs.

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It’s important because whitewashing history is cultural erasure. Whether or not it’s intentional, the education system is failing to properly educate students on the contributions of all types of people.

It matters to British children of color to see their cultures represented in positive ways and as great contributors to the world they live in.

Being “colorblind” ignores the fact that history was very much not and ignores that racism of the past still impacts so many people today.

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It matters to British children of color to see their cultures represented in positive ways and as great contributors to the world they live in.

I might agree with this if I wasnt a British child of colour at one point in time. Anecdotally, I never cared about the colour of anyones skin. If you were a British historical figure then you were a British historical figure. As a kid I never cared to put people into different boxes based on race. I’m all for teaching kids about history from people of all walks of life, but I dont feel the need to say “this was a black british person” or “this was a white british person”. They are British people.

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It’s not whitewashing if your entire country was white for almost all its history.

Most non whites came over after ww2. It’s not racist to say their just really wasn’t that many historical black people. Forcing a narrative is stupid. This is why so many people have issues with wokeness.

Our kids don’t know enough about history anyway. That could be solved. But it doesn’t mean they should know about some random black guy that did almost nothing of note just because he is black. Plenty of people did almost nothing of note and we don’t know about them.

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This bothers me as well. The headline might as well be based on some other survey about sexual orientation or height or hair color. What a strange thing, to further propagate association by race.

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But I also kind of find it offensive that people want to separate historical figures into “black” and “white”

Incredible

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It’s Scary that they can’t name one black Spice Girl.

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